Eileen Durfee Talks About Efficient Ways to Detox on Dirobi Podcast

Dave Sherwin: Hello, everybody. Welcome to the Dirobi Health Show. Today, I've got Eileen Durfee. Eileen, thank you for coming on the show.

Eileen Durfee: Well, thanks for thinking of me, Dave.

Dave Sherwin: Yeah, I'm intrigued by your bio, and really excited to hear your story because this is not the usual story. It's a little different than a lot of other guests that I've had. And so, I think this will be a lot of fun to explore some unique territory. And let me just read your bio, because I want to get this right. And then we'll have you talk a little bit more about that. But for those of you listening, Eileen Durfee is an engineer who used to work in nuclear power plants, but became sick due to chemical exposure over time. She dealt with chronic pain, Hashimoto’s, hypothyro - hypothyroidism, and low energy. I gotta try that again. Hypothyroidism. It shouldn't be hard to say but. And low energy. Her quest for health was ultimately successful. And her in depth research and experimentation led to seven utility and three design patents in the health space.

She founded Creatrix Solutions to create and distribute products worldwide, to help people eliminate toxins from their bodies and cleanse themselves of many of the symptoms of modern living. We'll be discussing chronic pain, the miracle of ozone, photo and sauna therapy, weight loss, and more. So, Eileen, that's a pretty interesting and painful background. You have a mixed bag there. You’ve been very successful, it sounds like in your life, but you've also dealt with some real stuff. Talk, talk to us about how you arrived here?

Eileen Durfee: Well, I mean, I was born with twisted hips and had pain, had to wear special shoes. Grew nine inches in three months. You know, that was really painful. I got ran over –

Dave Sherwin: Oh wow!

Eileen Durfee: … ran over by a car in a parking lot. And, you know, I mean, every breath hurt. You hurt everywhere, you know, from structural issues. And, you know, thankfully, I got into some good spinal fitness training and was able to recover that. But then, you know, after having a silver amalgam filling, I think when I was 19, then I became allergic to everything. I mean, literally lungs closing up, hives.

Dave Sherwin: Wow!

Eileen Durfee: I couldn't eat the same thing within 72 hours, learned about leaky gut, all that kind of stuff. I thought that was all my ills. And then I learned more about toxins replacing the good minerals. So then, the cells don't function. And looking at the root cause of why was I having pain and allergy reactions, and which led me to quit building houses. And, you know, go back to school and become an expert in analyzing tissue biopsies, you know, through hair analysis, you know, to manipulate chemistry, to restore minerals and function. And, and then, when you started doing that, the detox reactions from any program was just accentuated.

So, then, you know, I got into the gizmos and gadgets, so that you can feel like Superwoman and still detox and have less pain and, and so it's a passion now, because I suffered for way too many years trying all the medicines and the things that the doctors wanted me to do. And then, before that, before I got that training, I was chasing symptoms with natural substances and causing reactions and pain in my body. You know, fixing one symptom, and then a bunch more crop up. And so, it's, it's been a journey, but now at 59 years old, I mean, I don't have any pain in my body. I feel good. I don't have allergies anymore. I mean, I still like to eat healthy –

Dave Sherwin: Yeah, yeah.

Eileen Durfee: Instead of having the junk. But yeah.

Dave Sherwin: About when was the turning point for you?

Eileen Durfee: Well, I mean, I became really sick in about 1983 and then started doing all kinds of different cleanses and you know, detox things. So, I was able to manage my symptoms without medications in the 1990s. And then it was – so, I was doing really pretty good managing most of the time. I mean, I could eat more foods, I could be around, you know, and not have my lungs close up if somebody had cologne on or something like that. But I, it was 2011 when I really quit chasing symptoms with natural substances and started working on the root cause and real - making that connection between detox. It's like junkyard parts in yourself. So, obviously, you can't function normally. So, that's when that shift happened.

Dave Sherwin: Interesting. And the science on detox is all over the map. And detox is something I think we all intuitively understand. Of course, our body is doing it every day the best it can. We all understand that we, we take in food and then we poop out waste, and we sweat and we breathe. Our lungs are fairly good at getting rid of some toxins and whatnot. And, and there are scientists out there who say no, this whole detox thing is, is a load and, a load of crap. Like, there's no evidence that there's, you know, heavy metals lurking in your cells for very long. Your body gets rid of them. But, and heavy metals may be a bad example, because actually chelation therapy is fairly commonly accepted in, in medicine, but you see what I mean? And then, and then there's also on the health side, I do see some people that make me concerned a little bit because I feel like they sometimes go overboard with cleanse stuff.

Now, this has been a very serious matter for you. You've had to really figure it out for yourself. You talked about the silver fillings. I mean, these things are just basically, you know, let's install a little bit of poison in someone's tooth, you know. And just add a tiny bit of mercury infest their system for a long time. And so, in that case, of course, the body is, you know, it didn’t matter how hard it works. That's built in, right? But, and actually, maybe that's the point we ought to start with. Like for those of you that still have silver fillings, have them carefully removed. And I've had two dentists on my show actually talking about oral health. And we've had this discussion and many people of our generation especially just don't realize what they're missing out on. So, when did you get that, that tooth put right?

Eileen Durfee: See, very early, when Huggins first came out with, you know, the notification to people and I got that done when I lived in Kansas. No, when I lived in Illinois. That would have been about 1985, 1986. And that was, you know, before the supposedly natural dentist. I mean, because he measured the electrical voltages and took them out in a certain order. But he never put the dam in either. But I had a white, high white blood cell count, real low immunity. And after I got those out, I did the Bernard Jensen colon cleansing, you know.

Dave Sherwin: Okay.

Eileen Durfee: And then my white blood cell count came back down to normal, and you know, a lot of the infections and things that I was suffering from improved. But yeah, so learning about mercury, I mean, the exposure that we're getting now is from silver amalgam fillings, but also eating certain types of fish. And one of the things that I see prevalent on hair analysis reports is high mercury. And it'll be in people that don't have silver amalgam fillings that maybe eat a lot of fish. And then I see people that eat fish and have silver amalgam fillings with very low amounts of mercury in your hair. But that doesn't mean it's not sequestered in the cells in the body. But one encouragement that I can give the listeners to really deal with mercury in their body is some chemistry.

You know, my son was, you know, taking chemistry classes at University of Washington and everything like that, about the time that I was going to school to learn about detox and hair analysis. One of the things he said about Mercury, he says, Mom, Mercury is so bad because your body could use like cadmium for zinc. And you'd actually feel a boost of energy, kind of like having an energy drink or smoking a cigarette. You know, you get this temporary stimulation in your body, because cadmium will work in the cell enzyme binding sites where zinc is supposed to be, but with mercury, you know, so, so your body will sacrifice and say, Okay, I can't get zinc where it's supposed to be. So, I'm going to put cadmium there, but you know, so I'll sacrifice and I'll deal with 20% function, even though it's got all these other bad problems.

Dave Sherwin: Yeah.

Eileen Durfee: So, it's Merc, Mercury. Mercury permanently disables the cell enzyme binding site from functioning. It'll either lodge in that enzyme binding site or somewhere else on the cell, and it permanently disables the cell's ability to function. That's how bad Mercury is. And if you have enough cells in an enzyme system, see people don't realize that like your thyroid gland has more selenium by design than any organ in the body. It's kind of like you drive a car, your wheels go where your wheels are where your thyroid gland has more selenium. But what on the table of elements chart is antagonistic or synergistic with a Selenium? Mercury.

So, with all these people with the thyroid problems, it could be because it's instead of having selenium, bioavailable selenium in the cells to function, it's mercury. And so, so we really need to stop exposure, you know. Every time you chew, or put hot liquid on a silver amalgam filling, you know, you're, you’re having Mercury gas go and affect your brain. And you wonder why you have the anxiety or you have all these other issues. I mean, let's look at the mercury and get that out of the body. You know, now they put dams in, and there's a lot of ecological dentists that can do it safely. And you'd be amazed at how much better you feel.

Dave Sherwin: Okay, so great. I mean, that's excellent and important information for especially those listening who still have those things. They got to get them out.

Eileen Durfee: Yeah.

Dave Sherwin: Back to what I said earlier about the, you know, the issue of cleansing. You know, cleansing is big business. There's all kinds of products, there's all kinds of promises, there's all kinds of diets. And of course, again, back at the very basic level, our bodies should be cleansing itself all the time. We should be drinking lots of water. We should be eating lots of vegetables. We should be supporting good elimination on a regular basis, etc. So, that's the basic level. Now, you've mentioned mercury as something though, that is a pernicious problem. What other problems are there that are like that, that that your body can't really deal with, in the simplistic way that I'm describing just normal digestion and elimination.

Eileen Durfee: There's a major principle that people need to become familiar with. It's not mainstream in this wellness revolution even with detox experts. And that is, the body is created in a way that it will always use the most efficient item present to get something done. And every cell in your body has an enzyme binding site and needs a mineral. Like, you know, your bones. 99% of the bones are in there. I mean, the calcium is in your bones, teeth and nerve fibers. So, you got to think about the substitutions. Yeah, you know, lead substitutes calcium. So, if your body has a problem with delivering calcium to the cells, the body will use lead instead. But it won't give it up until you restore the calcium metabolism so that the calcium can get into the cells.

I mean, lots of older women, they are saying, do these, you know, hormones so you don't have osteoporosis and all that. But that's not the real secret to having strong bones. And so, it's not just, is my body going to be strong, and if it's supposed to be detoxing, but if you have a mineral imbalance that is caused by an endocrine disruption based on stress, then your body will be using it to survive. It will not give it up, it will not detox it. And so, these practitioners that use chelation, either natural chelators, or synthetic drug chelators, and they measure with the urine and the blood and all this kind of stuff. Yeah, they get high numbers in and all this kind of stuff. But what happens to somebody who's really been under the care of medical practitioner doing those detox programs? Over time, they get weaker, and they get more imbalances and all that. Initially feel better because of the toxic load.

But don't forget. Chelators whether they're natural, or drugs are nondiscriminatory. They take the good minerals with the bad. And so, then your body, when it already had a problem, getting the good minerals where they need to go will be more predisposed to collecting more of the toxic junk. And that, and that's what I've seen. And so, we need to really, I think that you know, there's people who talk about the Root protocol and all this kind of stuff. But really, the root problem of all health, I believe is our response to stress with our adrenal glands. You know, it causes us to urinate out a lot of the minerals that we need. Our food supply, even organic stuff, if you analyze it compared to the 1940s does not have the nutrient density that our bodies need.

So, we're always in a situation where we're having to adapt and utilize junk. And then the people that don't have constant energy, this is another you know, explanatory thing you need to realize is that, when your blood sugar tanks in those moments, there are cellular mechanisms that pretty much become deactivated, kind of like if you had a brand new car at a gas station. The power is out and your tank is empty. You can't drive the car but it's super simple. Turn on the power, and you can fill gas and you can drive. So, during any given day, whether you're dehydrated or lacking oxygen, or not having, you know, the glucose from the, you know, the food in your energy tanks. That's when your body grabs out for more toxic metals to act like junkyard parts because, you know, you have to look at the body, like once you digest the food, and you have all these raw ingredients that your body needs to rebuild itself and maintain health is, it has to pump it everywhere.

It's like this concent – it’s called a concentration gradient in biology. And the factor to pump all the good stuff where it needs to go is the sodium pump. That is very delicate. I know we're going to talk about some of the things that that applies to later on. But you know, stress, if that ratio isn't right, then you're not going to be able to pump them. But then heavy metals, they don't need that pump and they can go up there and again, the substitution happens. So, detox needs a whole new mentality out there as far as supporting the body's response to stress, providing the right nutrients and keeping constant, good available energy, so you're less susceptible to collecting more. It's not just about getting rid of it. Yes, daily we have to.

Dave Sherwin: Right, right. Yeah, we used to sell a chelation product. Mimi's Miracle zeolites and zeolites were natural chelator. And the problem is, the FDA probably working in conjunction with the AMA. I never did forgot the whole story. But they decided that that chelation can only, be only be done under a doctor's supervision and that all products have to be prescribed for chelation. So, of course, I disagreed with that determination. But we had to pull the product and you know, natural chelation. Like you, like you said, ideally, you don't want to take it in.

But I think of like the famous personal development guru Tony Robbins, who, who lives on an island and ate incredibly well food grown on the island, and fish. And one day, he is giving his personal development speech and collapses on the stage, right? And then comes to find out, uh, do you know this story?

Eileen Durfee: No.

Dave Sherwin: Okay, it's very interesting to listen to, because he talks about how he thought he was doing everything right. And he had enough mercury to kill a horse. He's lucky and he survived. And so, it's, it’s a fascinating story. And so, let's talk about though I love the preventive angle that you're talking about. But before we get off of it, what are you thinking about, about chelation and of natural chelators?

Eileen Durfee: I would, you know. If there's like recent heavy exposure to something, I think it has its place. But if you're looking at someone long term, chronic, you know, low energy, a lot of the health problems that we see people having, it's gonna create a lot more imbalances. I ended up getting a lot of clients working with me that have been on those kinds of things for years. And, you know, they have their ups and downs. It's like, it's like a rollercoaster, and they just didn't understand the biology and the chemistry of what was happening.

Dave Sherwin: Okay.

Eileen Durfee: So, each person is obviously different.

Dave Sherwin: Yeah.

Eileen Durfee: And, and I think we need testing to monitor that with someone who's trained to be able to see, okay, do we want to use some pectins? Do we want to, you know, while we're doing certain things. I mean, a big advocate of coffee enemas, because of the bile production in it trapping heavy metals in, you know, in the intestinal tract. You know, and for a lot of other protocols that help and enhance detoxification, you know, but –

Dave Sherwin: For coffee enema, I assume you don't go to Starbucks and buy your favorite drink and then insert in the wrong place. I mean, I, I don't know about a coffee enema. So, you're gonna have to educate me and those listening on, on how this works.

Eileen Durfee: Well, you know, coffee is very popular. And there's tons of places that you could go where they get the green organic beans and they roast them right there and you can pick them up a few days later. I mean, I can guarantee you. Just about every town has that.

Dave Sherwin: Okay.

Eileen Durfee: So, no need to buy it from Starbucks or the grocery store because it was sitting in the warehouse six months or nine months, you know, so you can get the real fresh stuff.

Dave Sherwin: Okay.

Eileen Durfee: And I'm going to advocate for the medium to the dark roast. The green, if you do like a daily coffee enema, literally your skin's gonna turn green. There's enough palmitic acid and caffeine and the medium to dark roast. So, you don't get such a shot of caffeine. And I, you know, when I went to school to do the tissue biopsy hair analysis, I was challenged to become a practitioner to take a daily near infrared sauna and a daily coffee enema. So, quite the story of how I got adapted to coffee enemas, but I started doing some research. I mean, they've been around for 3000 years. And, you know, they, I think scientifically got validated when Hitler's army got cut off from medical supplies, and they were operating on soldiers.

The nurses, you know, when the doctor would give a plain water enema, you know, they thought, gee, you know, the doc – the coffee is keeping the doctor going 24/7. So, they started pouring coffee in the enemas. And the pain reduction was phenomenal. I mean, it becomes so famous that three universities in the Europe started using coffee water up rats and figuring out what the heck is going on. And they figured out amazing things. The, in 12 minutes, all the caffeine in the palmitic acid left, you know, the rectal area, and went up the portal vein and caused the liver bile ducts to dilate. And when they, when they dilated, then, bile production increased. But it also filled the bloodstream with free radical scavengers, antioxidants, turned on enzyme systems, changed the pH of the intestinal tract so the good bacteria is more likely to survive. And it's just phenomenal. I, I give everybody the two-week challenge. If somebody says, Eileen, I'm only gonna do one thing for my health. What do I do? I said, do a daily coffee enema. And people are going oh, you're gonna mess up your electrolytes and all this. Well, I was in a car wreck in 2013.

Dave Sherwin: Wow!

Eileen Durfee: You know, I had to have surgery and I was in physical therapy. And you know, for all that bloodwork and everything, I was like perfect. Every – Absolutely, everything was perfect, you know. And for, you know, almost three years, I've been doing daily coffee enemas, saunas, that kind of thing. And the lady who owned the physical therapy had bought one of those S3 machines. I don't know if anybody's seen it on Dr. Oz, but it's a device you put your hand on, and it measures your circulating antioxidants. And then in Dr. Oz's show, everybody wore a shirt for the color and amount of the antioxidants they had. And most of them were all like bad. Dr. Oz had 75,000 units. Anything above 60,000 was perfect. They're saying hey, cancer risk is like nil. You know, great, great, great. So, they use this machine to sell you, you know, pills.

Dave Sherwin: Green is used for something, yeah.

Eileen Durfee: You know, pills to boost your antioxidant level, you know. And so, here I am just off of anesthesia and everything, you know, put my hand on that thing. 80,000 units –

Dave Sherwin: Huh?

Eileen Durfee: … higher than Dr. Oz and they go, oh my gosh, you're never gonna get cancer. What antioxidants do you take? And he says, well, I don’t. I take a daily near infrared sauna, coffee enema, my supplements, you know, metabolic packs and minerals, you know, by my hair analysis. They're going, wow, that's phenomenal. And so, you know, doing a coffee enema increases glutathione production 600%. How many of you are out there buying glutathione to take? You know, which is a great detoxifier but, you know, you've got some natural protocols that actually, you know, don't cost that much money once you get your equipment. And it just takes time if you go Eileen, how do you have the time to do that every day? I go, well, you know, I don't have any pain in my body. I have all kinds of energy. I sleep well. I wake up with energy. So, my you know, routine in the morning. I mean, it sells itself. I mean, what else could I do? You know, why wouldn't I?

Dave Sherwin: Now, now seeing as you mentioned glutathione and you may not even know this but we're, we’re a top seller of glutathione. We, we’ve been confident. This is a Mimi’s miracle glutathione and, and it is a great antioxidant, as you mentioned. But the thing about glutathione a lot of people don't understand. You notice something unique about this. It's in a spray bottle. Glutathione is made of three peptides. And what everyone's doing wrong is, they're swallowing the glutathione into their –

Eileen Durfee: In digestion.

Dave Sherwin: And the digestive system breaks it down with the peptides, and they get three peptides into their blood. You have to take it orally. So, for those of you wanting to raise your, your, your number and glutathione is gonna be part of the mix. It has to be oral. So it can go into the bloodstream.

Eileen Durfee: Mucosal membranes.

Dave Sherwin: Within walls of your mouth. Yeah. So, thank you for laying up that little softball for one of our own supplements. And of course, you're talking about yours and what you're gonna do. Now, coffee enema, every day. Is it expensive? Is it a sustainable thing most people can do, or is it only for people who are in really bad health? Or is it kind of a daily practice that you're recommending for just about anybody in the modern world? Tell us about those things?

Eileen Durfee: Right. Well, before the turn of the century, just about everybody. Looked back through the literature. Every home, everybody did coffee enemas all the time.

Dave Sherwin: Really?

Eileen Durfee: Yeah. And so, you know, when we –

Dave Sherwin: Which century?

Eileen Durfee: Well, like in the 1800s.

Dave Sherwin: Late 1800s -

Eileen Durfee: Up to the early 1900s. Yeah, everybody, everybody had coffee enemas. Everybody did them. It was very well known. And, you know, then we started having pills for problems and, you know, people got out of the teaching of it carrying on and the Gerson, Gerson, you know, he has his therapy and did a lot with cancer and things like that. I mean, it's undisputed, the benefits of, of the, the coffee enema. And with my training and what I've seen, I mean, I've had people that come in, do a console for their hair analysis. And then we cut their hair. And then, it takes about three to four weeks to get the test results in the program back.

And this one guy, this married couple, he was on, I don't know, antidepressants, things for asthma, all this kind of stuff, medications. He was just a wreck. And he said, oh, I'll, I'll get that coffee enema back. I'm, I’m going to do that, I'm going to try that. And so, a month later, we come back and I'm doing the consult. 80% of the guy's symptoms are gone. He doesn't even need to use his allergy inhaler. His mood has improved. You know, like, all this kind of stuff.

Dave Sherwin: Wow!

Eileen Durfee: So, so then, I'm telling him the program. I said, you cannot take all the supplements they say, because your body's gonna win the lottery, and it's gonna detox faster, and you're gonna have every imaginable symptom. He goes, I'll just take two coffee enemas a day and I’ll be fine, you know.

Dave Sherwin: Yeah. Yeah.

Eileen Durfee: But, so it's amazing. One lady, she couldn't, she was in so much pain. She couldn't even walk down her driveway, 20 feet to the mailbox. You know, after my two-week challenge, she could walk down to the mailbox without pain. I mean, it works pretty quick. You know, and so I just, I just tell people, I'll never ask you to do a coffee enema again. I just want you to do the two-week challenge every day. And I tell, tell him all the pitfalls now. I mean, I bought myself a $300 Clima Board so I could lay down so I don't have to get up, had an ozone sprayer to clean it, you know, all this kind of stuff. Because people you know, you typically have to lay down and then your knees or your back to get up. And then when you do, everything goes out because you have no rectal control. And so, you know, they have all these ways of catching it till you get the control. But you know, then you can't hold it for 12 minutes and all this kind of stuff.

So, I recently came up with a solution. It's a stand-up pump. So, you can you know, get in the shower, fill up and then sit there and rub your ascending, you know, transverse you know, parts of your colon, take a long shower that we needed to eliminate, get out and get on the toilet and then go back in and refill and do it again. And so, I made it super simple and super easy. Now that we know so much about the good bacteria in the gut, and immunity and everything else. So, getting that extra bile, changing the pH so it’s more conducive to the good guys to live. It's just something that I do recommend that everybody do.

Dave Sherwin: And do they just buy the coffee locally? So, what is, what are you selling? Do you have a product that - you mentioned your stand-up product?

Eileen Durfee: Yeah, yeah, that's called the enema fix.

Dave Sherwin: The enema fix.

Eileen Durfee: It’s, it’s, it’s just a, a glass jar with the handle, a 33 oz that has an adapter that screws on with the pump. So, that with a long hose and different tips so you can actually do this in the shower.

Dave Sherwin: Okay.

Eileen Durfee: Standing up. So, anybody with knee, back problems. I mean, you could still lay down if you wanted to, but it just, it just takes the excuse out. That's what I wanted to do is, give people no excuse to try it or do it. And so, that's, you know what we did and just organic, medium to dark roast coffee. I mean, any coffee will really work. But you know, why put?

Dave Sherwin: Right.

Eileen Durfee: I mean, go with the healthier version of the coffee, because after all, you know, we want to protect what goes in our body. Start using healthier versions of what we're used to. And yeah, so it's, it’s super simple. If somebody says, I'm only gonna do one thing, that's what I would do. And I, and I've had multiple people where 80% of their problems go away in less than a month of doing it. I mean, it sells itself. But just take the challenge.

Dave Sherwin: Well, that's terrific. And, and obviously, something you're excited about and had a lot of success with. You also though, you also talked about ozone. Ozone has become an important part of your practice. Tell us about that? Where did that, you know, how did that start for you? And –

Eileen Durfee: Oh, yeah.

Dave Sherwin: ML with ozone?

Eileen Durfee: Well, it was in the 1990s, I bought an Alpine air purifier that was an ozone generator. And there's probably a lot of people out there that had those, you know. And here we thought we were doing ourselves great things by smelling that ozone. We can talk about that later. But it actually damages lung tissue and competes for oxygen receptor sites. So, all that fresh air, you were smelling, the ozone and inhaling. It was because your body needed more oxygen. So, it was forced to inhale more. It’s not because you're getting better lung function. Okay, so we learned these things from poisoning ourselves over the years, right?

Dave Sherwin: Awesome.

Eileen Durfee: Then, in about 1998, I met a person from New Zealand, who was drink - making and drinking ozonated water. And at that time, I still hadn't figured out the root cause of my Candida problem. And when I started drinking ozonated water on an empty stomach, man, it kept the Candida under control like crazy. And at that time, I was drinking more coffee than I should have. Today, I mean, I only have one 8 oz cup a day. That is it. When I'm outside in the sunshine, barefoot, grounding, you know those kinds of things, but back then, I drank way too much coffee. And I started noticing when I was drinking the ozonated water. Oh my gosh, I didn't want the coffee. It was almost like having coffee but clean energy without the jitters or without, you know, the crash or anything like that. And then started you know, started thinking about all the parasites and the Hulda Clark cleanse and all that about that time, you know. So, it's like, Okay, the first line of defense, let's clean our food because everything's grown in dirt.

So, you got the parasite library that you can't see that's gonna go in your body and hatch, you know. If you're, especially if you're juicing and you're not cooking the items. So, cleaning this ozonated water through glycolysis, the cell, the, the, the parasite larvae sack, a hole gets blown in it, so then it doesn't hatch. And then you know, it'll kill E. Coli, Salmonella, Listeria, everything and the foodborne pathogens that are making us sick, we can protect ourselves. So, I started cleaning my foods and everything with you know, ozonated water. And then years later, I learned about the connection between oxygen and ozone. And then, how it, how our oxygen metabolism works in our body. And so, people with our lives, I mean, planet Earth has less oxygen. A lot of people are sedentary. We're indoors right now. So, there's less oxygen concentrations in the air around us. And so, our body though has a threshold, the minimum amount of oxygen to function. Just like water, you know, 80% of people are dehydrated. So their body is in survival mode reallocating water based on histamine receptors.

Dave Sherwin: Right.

Eileen Durfee: Where body does something similar with oxygen. And so, breathing oxygen is great, and I have a gizmo for that but drinking ozonated water, here's the miracle. You can make diffuse ozone gas into water and I have a device that destructs all the gas that wouldn't dissolve in the water so you don't hurt your lungs because that's what the bad rap with ozone is, is hurting your lungs. And so, nobody was doing that. So, I have a gizmo that you can safely, even if you have COPD or asthma, you can get the benefit because you will smell no ozone gas in the air. It will be all dissolved in the water. So, when you make this water and you drink it, you need to drink it on an empty stomach, because you have to remember that it's three singlets of oxygen. And anything that's not a pair in nature, you know, is uneven. So that third singlet breaks off. That's the oxidizer, that O1. And what it'll do in your body, just like the EPA who drills wells in contaminated aquifers and injects ozonated water to clean it up, we're mostly water.

So, that oxidation, that's why you want to do it on an empty stomach, because you don't want to do it when you're taking your supplements because we don't want to break it down. So, we do it on an empty stomach. We drink the ozonated water and it purifies, it detoxifies us, but then if that's not a miracle enough, you're left with pure O2. So, what happens in the body when you don't have enough oxygen? It's like a car, when your alternator is bad. So, your battery is not going to hold a charge. So, you're jumpstarting it and you're driving it without the lights, and you're not putting the air conditioner on just to get from point A to point B. You’re kind of like a jalopy where your body has this hierarchy. And if you have plenty of oxygen, your cells have an enzyme coating around them. And when you don't have enough, it'll prioritize what cells not to protect, and that enzyme coating goes away.

So, then that cell that doesn't have the enzyme coating then becomes susceptible to infection like bacteria, viruses, funguses, you know, all of that to morph into cancer, all these things. So, and the, and the thing about it is, is if you can drink ozonated water, then, your body will make and protect more cells. So, then it also, you know, helps with immunity, all kinds of things. It's anti-inflammatory. There's a lot of NIH studies about what ozonated water does to the biology in the body. And it's absolutely amazing when it's used correctly. Don't breathe a glass, drinking on an empty stomach and not before bed because it’s just gonna give you too much energy. You know, we want to sleep, you know, and then it'll help you reduce your coffee. In me, it helped keep the candida under control until I fixed my zinc copper ratio problem with weak adrenals of why that was happening. But yeah, ozone is like an absolute miracle. I mean, for keeping our foods safe, giving us oxygen. I mean, corona. I mean, every pathogen has a contact concentration, and time to kill it. Like E. coli is killed in 15 seconds at 0.1 part-per million dissolved ozone. So, I've got a machine that will make two-part per million ozone. I mean, it's like, it's crazy.

Dave Sherwin: And is that how ozonated water is made is through a machine? It’s not like putting a tablet in a water bottle or something like that?

Eileen Durfee: It's made with a generator. So, you diffused it because this reaction happened so quickly that you got to drink it and get it in or like soak your vegetables or, you know. I mean, if you had salmonella infected strawberries, you could ozonate them and it would kill all of it and you would eat it, you know?

Dave Sherwin: Yeah.

Eileen Durfee: I was issued a patent, which I haven't got that one on the market yet for undercounter that will degas. It's a new way to degas the ozone when it's under pressure. And it's actually going to disrupt the whole industry of all this expensive degassing equipment. It'll make it feasible to put it on your own kitchen sink. But can you imagine, I dream about being on the Bobby Flay cooking show holding a chicken breast. They say, don't rinse it, right because there’s salmonella on it. Have the black light there, flip on the faucet, rinse it. Haven't we all gone and clean, you know? I mean –

Dave Sherwin: Yeah.

Eileen Durfee: Ozone is an absolute miracle.

Dave Sherwin: How do people listening take advantage of it though? How do they, how do they use it? How do they do it?

Eileen Durfee: Well, I have an ozone generator and then I have the diffuser degasser. It actually diffuses ozone gas in the water 10 times faster. So, you don't have to run your machine as long so it extends machine life. It also gets rid of all the hazardous part of inhaling it. And then you can use that to clean your vegetables, to drink. People even after the coffee enema will follow up with ozonated water. I mean -

Dave Sherwin: Is that like a small appliance, or is it?

Eileen Durfee: Yeah.

Dave Sherwin: How is it?

Eileen Durfee: Yeah. It’s like the size of a book. I didn't bring one in here for show and tell but yeah, it's, it's like about that tall, about that wide and about that thick. It comes with a remote control, it's got a timer. And I tell people as far as breathing ozone. If you're going to leave the place, say you've burned dinner, and you're leaving. Turn the ozone machine on, unhook the hose and run it and let it be on intermittent timer and have it not run for two hours before you come back. And then your, your whole house will feel like a fresh rainstorm. It's cleaned the air. You know, so there’s safe ways to use it.

Dave Sherwin: Okay, interesting. I've taken a lot of your time. But I want to do one more topic before I let you go.

Eileen Durfee: Okay.

Dave Sherwin: And you've mentioned it before, and it's in your bio too, and it's, it’s got to do with heat. You talk about phototherapy, sauna therapy, hot yoga. You like heat as a tool. Infrared Sauna, you'd mentioned that before, too. So, why don't you talk just about those, those therapies and, and what they do, what you're advising people to do about them and whatnot?

Eileen Durfee: Sure. I mean, before I went back to school to become the practitioner, I got the challenge to do the daily coffee enema, but I was also given a challenge to do a daily near infrared incandescent bulb sauna, which I thought the doctor was prejudiced, really, because I had this $2,800 cabin with all these heaters everywhere. And I was sweating like crazy, you know. And so, finally, I made the switch. I was going to California. And so, I made myself because my dad's mechanical and so I am too. And so, I made myself this near infrared sauna. Day one, I'm going, wow, I didn't sweat very much. Day two, I’ve started sweating more. By day three, I was sweating as much as in my other sauna. But this clean, energetic feeling came over me like I never felt before. I mean, it was transformational to the point where I would never. And then we were learning about high EMF.

So, I just got my meter and I'm measuring my own sauna. It's like, oh my gosh, it’s like I'm being bombarded everywhere. And so, I got rid of that sauna. And then because of my background in nuclear power, and just my dad, you know, it's like, I'm a gizmo woman. And so, I buy everything and try it and try to make a better widget. And so, it's like, but what I do is, I use it, then I fall asleep. And in the morning, I see the blueprint, and the better way to do it and that kind of thing. And so, I learned and that's the time my son was also taking all the biology and chemistry classes. And you know, I'm saying, what is the deal with this doctor? Why do I feel this way with the near infrared? And he goes, oh Mom, it's phototherapy. And he gave me a website on the University of Washington to read about it. He says Mom, your mitochondria is in every cell. And you just shined light on it. You don't have to eat and digest the food and assimilate it.

You just sign that bandwidth of light on it and it'll produce energy. That's why you feel so good, mom. And so, with the, the near infrared, you know it’s 550 – well, it is, it is 700 to 400 nanometers of light. And so, there's a lot of multi-spectrum saunas out there now, because of the new, newest research of how great - I mean is shining near infrared light on inoperable tumors. In Germany, they're having women exercise in front of near infrared lights compared to not and they're losing 400% more fat in weight and contouring their body. And I mean, near infrared is just phenomenal because it reduces pain, it increases your flexibility. And so, with me, I went to the near infrared but then you know, without an insulated cabin, because most saunas, even the wood ones are like an R1 or R2, they don't have very much insulation.

So, it's like you have to heat them up for a long time to get in. And it's like, I'm like, I, you know, I don't want to have to heat anything up. I wanted to be able to just jump in and have it like instantly hot, so. And then light travels at the speed of light. So, I wanted to capture all that healing frequency to maximize the phototherapy. So, I came up with some radiant material that also shields out all the EMF. But then the insulated panels are R12. So, in my sauna, it gets to 120 degrees in five minutes and it'll work on an outlet that your hairdryer works on and you'll sweat twice as much in half the time. And so, I made one big enough to do yoga because you know, hot yoga is popular and part of that European study with the women contouring their body and having less pain and better blood sugar was exercising under near infrared lights. So, I figured, hey, why not? So, we have that version of it and people put their Spinner bikes in there and bike with it. There's a New York city cop who's got one that does that for training. You know, it's just phenomenal. UFC fighter Nate Diaz, they shadow box and Gilbert Melendez, they all shadow box inside their sauna fixes.

Dave Sherwin: It seems they are pretty big. They're not the little black box that you sit on the stool with your head poking out?

Eileen Durfee: No, you want your head inside. You know, get all the phototherapy, everywhere going around. I mean, for me, I wear an organic sauna hat because that'll dry out your hair. You know, and I already have curly hair as it is, you know, but yeah, you just go in there and move underneath that light. And it's phenomenal. You just fit. I mean, I've lost 25 pounds. And I – and it started when I went to daily, you know, when I got my yoga, yoga sauna at home. Before I had the one that I just laid down in. And then I was reading about the studies about how moving because every - your body has an overall metabolism that fluctuates based on the circadian rhythm. Then, each cell in your body has a metabolism and your fat cells have the slowest metabolism so that light, that mitochondria getting into that fat cells speeds it up.

So, you burn the fat for energy and it contours your body. And so, with trapping all that light, so it's just re-bombarding you and having the insulation and being able to move, it's transformational. I did that and started going outside barefoot, watching the morning sun and then eating in an eight-hour window and I lost 25 pounds. I went from Loose, 14 something. So, I’d wear a size 14. Now, I'm in a size six. And I didn't – then, I didn’t change. I mean, I've always eaten kind of healthy, more animal protein, steamed vegetables, less fruits, less grains, you know, low glycemic, you know. That's how I've eaten for years. And so, I really didn't change that at all. And I had that much of a transformation.

Dave Sherwin: But this sounds big. Isn't this huge big sauna?

Eileen Durfee: No, no, no. It’s three feet wide. And it's 7'10" long. So, it's not a big footprint. The small one is three-foot by four-foot print in the stand up. And then, it's 6"6 tall. Actually, I have an extension now because of the NBA basketball players. They need it taller. So, now it's going to be 7’6 tall with an extension and then you can absolutely do a full yoga practice by putting your you know, whole arms up and stuff. And -

Dave Sherwin: You're enclosed. You're inside of the thing?

Eileen Durfee: Mm hmm.

Dave Sherwin: Okay.

Eileen Durfee: And you can –

Dave Sherwin: I got my rowing machine here. Let's see if we can do this. So, there's my rowing machine.

Eileen Durfee: Right.

Dave Sherwin: And so, I could put my machine inside of that.

Eileen Durfee: How wide is that? What are those yellow things?

Dave Sherwin: Oh, those are just dip bars that are sitting in front of it.

Eileen Durfee: As long as it's not longer than 7"10' long, it can go inside there and you can do your rowing and that yoga.

Dave Sherwin: Interesting.

Eileen Durfee: I mean, there's a guy that just got done training to do the Death Valley on his bicycle and so they got it. They put two sauna lamps in there. You can get the hot yoga tent as hot as 190 degrees with double lamps. And I mean these people, they're like kettlebells and they're doing - these biohackers. They’re just extreme athletes and they just - but yeah, I just keep mine about at 140.

Dave Sherwin: Okay, one last thing before I let you go. This has been super interesting. You have brought up all these ideas, quite unique some of these. I mean, some of these things I'm aware of, you know. I've actually done infrared sauna and back when I was doing cryotherapy, the cryotherapy and then infrared. And that's actually quite interesting to do both to go extremely cold, extremely hot -

Eileen Durfee: Oh, yeah. I jump, I jump in a cold shower afterwards.

Dave Sherwin: Yeah, I do all my showers cold. I don't do anything else. I just turn on cold and shower. I used to, I used to shower, then turn it down and stand on it. And one day I thought, why am I doing this? I got to turn on cold and shower. I did and it was fine. It took me a while. It took me few months. But after a few months of turning down cold, I just acclimated my body. As a matter of fact, I noticed when winter came, I lived in Utah where we have hot summers, cold winters, and I'm normally a wimp in the cold. I don't like the cold. And, and yet one day, I went out, not dressed well enough for the winter, and I was really surprised, like, Oh, I'm fine. Cold doesn't bother me. And now I just turn it on cold. And it's been great.

So, I'm with you on the cold. Now, another guest I had, Tim James from Chemical Free Body. He hit me up recently about near infrared saunas, and he's got one that he's found in Korea or something, and, and he was telling me how the technology of these things, how - you mentioned, you alluded to the right type of light and, and these, and the installation, all of the various things that go into it to get the, the right effect. And because, you know, you can buy some cheap box on Amazon, you know, for $400. And, and, and he was telling me, how will that one kind of – you gotta get like, you know, and he's giving me all the scientific info on the light rays, right that this does, which I'm sure you're an expert on. And you've talked about already on the show. So, these are things that are just coming onto my radar. You've been doing it a lot. I take it you have clients. Do you do coaching? Are you a product seller? What's your business model?

Eileen Durfee: We ship to 91 countries in the world. And I do some hair analysis with coaching. I've tried to set it up with the pattern report, an excerpt, you know, with teaching materials, so I can spend less time with the people, because I have to multiply my efforts.

Dave Sherwin: Yeah.

Eileen Durfee: You know, because I'm bringing on new products all the time. And that's my passion. I'm a creator. I'm getting the better gizmo, the widget out there to help us restore our health. And so –

Dave Sherwin: Yeah.

Eileen Durfee: It's more for the, the equipment, you know, teaching the lifestyle, you know, and, and I'd say, the main difference between my sauna and the other ones on the market, mine’s zero EMF, but it's the incandescent bulb that saunas that have all the heaters even though they might have multi-spectrum of rays. The depth that they penetrate is different, but also the ambient temperature is usually the same around the whole enclosure. But that's not true in mine, because it’s hottest where the lamps are. So, what your body does is, it shunts the blood towards the lights, because that's where it's hottest. And then it'll vasculate your tissues and cause water to escape on the surface of the skin sweat to cool you down. Literally, when you first get in my sauna, you're gonna sweat on one side of your body. It's weird. And then you wipe it down because that cools you down and you want to get your core body temperature up. You rotate 180 degrees, and your body does the same thing. So, the circulation effect in my type of sauna is twice.

Dave Sherwin: Oh, okay.

Eileen Durfee: Because you get the blood shunting and it goes deeper. And with the near infrared, the spectrum of rays are 550 to about 3400 and it peaks all at the you know, the therapeutic levels, the eights, the nines, the 1100s. And so, you get a full spectrum where a lot of those other saunas, they say they have near infrared and they're putting in little pukey LED lights.

Dave Sherwin: Yeah, okay.

Eileen Durfee: And they don't penetrate the body tissue. It's like the incandescent bulb. So, it's not the same. Even though they might be nontoxic. I mean, I use organic cotton, you know zippers with no lead. I mean you know, the frames with that. I have it RoHS tested, built to European standards. So, there's a lot of things that go into it but its undisputed. Heat stress therapy is great. You know just stay away from the EMF and get as many light frequencies as you can and if you can exercise too and contour your body and feel better because of the maximized phototherapy and not have to preheat it and spend less money on electricity, great.

Dave Sherwin: Well, this has been terrific and everyone listening, this is Eileen Durfee, the gizmo girl. Is that what you call yourself?

Eileen Durfee: I have been that way my whole life. I just, you know, and part of my creations is, I just don't want another gizmo that’s sitting in the closet or a garage.

Dave Sherwin: And so how do people learn about your gizmos?

Eileen Durfee: They can go to creatrix C-R-E-A-T-R-I-X as an x ray,, I mean, we have everything from skincare we make to you know, ozone generators even for growing you know, CBD, you know plants for that that make the plants healthier to using it in your home, to the saunas, to, you know, the coffee enemas. And then we do hair analysis and the supplements and you know, just everything. We're bringing on a whole spinal fitness line, because that's the other thing is that, people are in chronic pain, a lot of it's because they got the wrong shape in gravity. And they're like, their muscles are tight all the time. And that consumes energy.

Dave Sherwin: Right.

Eileen Durfee: And it creates pain. So, part of the overall health is, protect what you breathe and drink and put on your skin and get it out when it gets in there. But let's use less energy, just existing and moving. You know, so it's, that's kind of like everything.

Dave Sherwin: Hey, Eileen, the mad scientist with the patents on her gizmos, all available at and I'm, I'm fascinated. I'm embarrassed to say, I didn't look at your website before we did the interview. But now you've got me totally curious. Like, I really want to learn more about these things. And I'm sure people listening do too. So, anything else you want to add before I let you go, Eileen?

Eileen Durfee: I would just recommend. You know, I think the number one thing that we're all doing out there in the wellness revolution is, we're trying to find something so that we don't have these problems, you know, to give our body just like my underlying feeling was, if my body just had what it needed, it would function properly. But there's, the number one mistake is, is you're not, you might chase a symptom and feel better, but then have something else crop up. And you're not putting two and two together. Sometimes, chasing the symptoms might make the underlying cause worse. And, and so I really think, the laboratory hair analysis too, even if you don't take the recommended supplements that they provide. But what's it doing to me? Is this really – one last story.

I had a massage therapist who couldn't even work anymore. Her hands are so swollen. And she was taking and so, we did her hair test. And then she put down how much vitamin C she was taking. And I say, oh my gosh, Vitamin C is a sodium stimulator and your sodium potassium ratio is sky high. That's inflammation, that is pain. So, she dialed that way back down and took the metabolic pack, the sodium potassium adjuster that we gave her on the program. I mean, this is like she couldn't work for eight months. And her naturopath had her taking all that vitamin C. And within two months, she could close her hands. Within four months, she was back working. And it was just because she was taking vitamin C.

Dave Sherwin: You're talking, you're talking my language. I mean, we make our living selling supplements. But on the show here, you know our supplements are designed to fill in deficiencies. We don't have anything that isn't balanced. And, and, and even for myself, I had a hair analysis done this year. I get bloodwork done or hair analysis every single year. So, you got me sold on that. I've been doing that for a long time. And, and, and my first remedy is always food. For example, I was low on selenium this time. And guess what's high in selenium, it is cashews. And I like cashews. I was also low on potassium. And bananas are an excellent source of potassium. And so, what you're saying is something I deeply believe in which is, is too many people seem to be going around taking care of their health life with Band-Aids.

Eileen Durfee: Right.

Dave Sherwin: And I have this scrape, I need a band aid, right? And so, most health scrapes don't need band-aids. What they need is a daily way of living that’s supporting good health, good nutrition, exercise, drinking lots of water, the very basics, right? And so –

Eileen Durfee: Yeah.

Dave Sherwin: And then the supplements supplement that. For example, I mentioned glutathione earlier. Our body makes Glutathione but we know from the science that you're producing 30% less glutathione by the time you hit your 30s and 40s. And we know and you mentioned NIH, the National Institute of Health Library of Studies. There's almost 100,000 studies just on glutathione. And yes, our body makes it but it gets less good at making it and so I supplement glutathione because it's a biohack because I take it and put more in my bloodstream than my body can make and raise my antioxidant level. And so, I've designed my company much the way you have trying to address real scientific needs. And I love the way you've couched this because I've never really put it this way that you do. This issue of how chasing the symptoms outside of a holistic approach is just, it’ll - like Whack-a-Mole. It's like health Whack-a-Mole. The mole is up so you go whack it instead of like, maybe like unplugging the stupid Whack-a-Mole box, so the mole stopped popping up, popping up.

Eileen Durfee: Yeah, yeah.

Dave Sherwin: Sometimes health is like that. It's like, why am I whacking moles when I can walk behind this machine and turn it off? And to me, a really good health regimen is just turning off that thing that is constantly causing you all this grief. And I think you've presented that argument here today, which I totally -

Eileen Durfee: So, simple things. We have the 21st century disease. We're indoors too much of the time. We don't get the sunlight that we need. The sunlight has had a bad rap. I mean, I just - and the other thing is, there is no silver bullet.

Dave Sherwin: Right.

Eileen Durfee: You know what, we're aging. I want to be biologically younger. I mean, get into peptide injections. I have my own hyperbaric oxygen chamber. I mean, it's just like, but you have to use them. You have to develop a lifestyle. And I always tell people, start with something small.

Dave Sherwin: Yeah.

Eileen Durfee: And then as you feel that benefit, then you're gonna be encouraged to do something more. You know, we're not telling people that just all of a sudden, they have to have a full-time job of detoxing and taking care of their body. Just go slow.

Dave Sherwin: Right. Right. Yeah. How about getting - just getting enough water. How about today you drink enough water?

Eileen Durfee: 80% of disease is dehydration. 80%, that's a whole another show.

Dave Sherwin: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, Eileen, this has been a lot of fun. You've been very interesting. And maybe, maybe on the – and the title that we produce this on our podcast. It needs to be gizmo girl, that’s kind of sticking with me here. That's pretty cool. And it sounds like you come from a great family that's inspired you to become what you are and to be someone who creates patents and is changing the world with new technology. It's awesome.

Eileen Durfee: Yep.

Dave Sherwin: Well, thanks again, Eileen. And for those of you listening, this is Dave Sherwin wishing you health and success.