Diane Kazer: Oh, I am just, I'm so happy for all the work that you're doing, all these products. I can't wait to nerd out with you today.
Eileen Durfee: Yeah, yeah. Well, we're getting ready to add 43 more new products.
Diane Kazer: Like, okay, I know you can't tell me all of them, but what are they? Like what do they span?
Eileen Durfee: They're all spinal fitness. You know, we've got the neck shaper. But we've got the Back Trac.
Diane Kazer: Is that to add curve?
Eileen Durfee: Well, the plexus roll doesn't have it right, because it crunches your spinous. This lets your spinous float through your transverse process, catch on it and adjust your spine.
Diane Kazer: Oh my gosh!
Eileen Durfee: You roll on it. And then we've got – I just I can run downstairs and get them but we have 15 different neck cushions that are in five different diameters and three different densities with the groove.
Diane Kazer: Oh, they're kind of like foam rollers how they have different?
Eileen Durfee: Well, you do this back twist and you lay over them for 20 minutes because you do the back twist and your, your discs, your spinal disc go from a sponge to a gel. Then, you lay on them and then without gravity, then your body relaxes and then your discs firm up to foam again, foam density. So, then you roll off of them and your spine reshapes. It's kind of like instead of eating candy and going to bed, without flossing and brushing your teeth, you can use these from all the forward head posture at the computer to restore the curvature.
Diane Kazer: Oh my god, I got to introduce you to Dr. Bergman, do you know who he is?
Eileen Durfee: Uh huh.
Diane Kazer: He's a, he's a famous chiropractor. And he's got a really big following and works with a lot of other really big chiropractors at Orange County, LA area.
Eileen Durfee: Oh yeah, yeah.
Diane Kazer: And I'm creating a detox course for his patient practice and followers. And he's, he's a miracle worker with spinal anything. And he gave me some gadgets to take home. But I don't know if he has really cool things like what you're talking about. I, I played professional soccer, and my biggest issue that I'm always chasing is God, I wonder if I could ever get out of pain. You know, because my discs are like –
Eileen Durfee: Oh, yeah.
Diane Kazer: [Oral sound] Like not there.
Eileen Durfee: Oh, yeah. So, I got utility patents on one, two of the back products or actually there's one, two, three, four of the back products, and then design patents on three more.
Diane Kazer: You’re a rockstar.
Eileen Durfee: And its Dr. Scherger used it with the US Olympic team, the New England Patriots and then one of the coaches left in New England Patriots went to the, the New York Giants. And then of course then, they went to the Dallas Cowboys, and they've kept this a secret. And Dr. Scherger passed on. And I had his prototype that not - that none of the players had.
Diane Kazer: Yeah.
Eileen Durfee: You know, so I developed into this easy device. And then now, like I'm working with UFC fighter Luke Rockhold, different NFL players have our devices. The San Francisco 49ers have an order for all the neck shapers.
Diane Kazer: Oh, yes, girl.
Eileen Durfee: The Rams and it’s like they're crazy about it, because they know some of the people that originated from the New England Patriots know about it, and I have one of the only other weight stack machines like that the New England Patriots have in their gym. And, you know, and I've got the power cushion. You can look at my IG where I've been posting different things about, you know, the spinal fitness equipment. I've got 16,000 cushions coming. I just paid for the molds, for the –
Diane Kazer: Oh my god!
Eileen Durfee: The power cushion and the neck shaper. Then, we got to do more force applicators, the ones for the chest and the hip. But I was traveling all over California meeting these professional athletes and Dr. Scherger developed this spinal evaluation for players and that's how the New England Patriots got good players for cheap money because they know how to see who's gonna be less prone to injury –
Diane Kazer: Or resilient.
Eileen Durfee: You know and that kind of thing. And so basically, I evaluate them and I have them jump, I have them bend, reach, you know, measure their hamstring tightness. Then I take him through three exercises. Not even a full set of reps, and every single one of them like Gilbert Melendez. He couldn't put his palms on the ground. He couldn't reach –
Diane Kazer: Of course.
Eileen Durfee: And after one set, he could.
Diane Kazer: Wow!
Eileen Durfee: And his back was cracking and he felt taller, lighter, he could reach longer. In one set, he grabbed my cushion and he says, See you later. And you know, as soon as I get these, all these gyms that have these professional athletes that said, there is nothing that - I have tried everything. Like Tyson Ross, you know, the, the Major League Baseball player. People don't know this, but he had to have surgery. He couldn't even pitch anymore. We had to reteach him how, how to pitch.
Diane Kazer: Why? Surgery on his shoulder?
Eileen Durfee: Yeah, yeah. And, and he couldn't even throw. And so, he's gone through the rehabilitation. He's done everything. This guy does everything holistic, and he’s into everything. And I put him through one set. And this guy is like, oh my gosh, there's nothing that goes this deep and transforms your body so quickly.
Diane Kazer: Wow!
Eileen Durfee: Same thing with Luke Rockhold. You know, the UFC fighter, oh my gosh. And he's, you know, and looking at these guys, who's the closest to the ideal posture, it’s this guy. I know, as soon as I get him the power cushion and all that because I'm going to be down there with Super Bowl week. And we're having all these professional players and I'm going to do the evaluation and teach them. It's going to be filmed the whole nine yards.
Diane Kazer: Ah, so, what it sounds like you're talking about here would be something that chiropractors need to give their patients in between sessions. And I will tell you right now. The only chiropractor that I've ever worked with, that gave me stuff in between is Dr. Bergman and he gave me this little strap thing to use and like a couple of other things for my neck. And you know, that little pump. I had brought this earlier, but you know, little pumper that makes your neck longer, you know. And then I had another thing on my, my door that pulls my – the neck exercises. There's actually two chiropractors I’ve ever worked with, they gave me things to do at home. And I always say like, that's co-dependent model. If you don't give people in between things to retain the results that you pay such good money for. So, is that what you’re doing?
Eileen Durfee: They're just getting rid of subluxations and adjusting vertebrae. But the problem of it is, is they're not giving you the shape –
Diane Kazer: Right.
Eileen Durfee: Where it's impossible for the vertebrae to go out of alignment.
Diane Kazer: Right.
Eileen Durfee: And the reason why people don't get the shape is, it's like Russian roulette. I mean, we send our kids to great school and they start having them do regular sit-ups. That gets rid of the low back curve, it doesn't induce the low back curve.
Diane Kazer: Low tight hip flexors.
Eileen Durfee: You have to provide posterior support with the shape. Hence the groove in a lot of my cushions and things so the spinous can float and catch the transverse process. But then you have to, it's like if you're going to move a large boulder, you got this long bar. You put the bar there and you got to put a fulcrum underneath it so you can get leverage.
Diane Kazer: Right. Makes sense.
Eileen Durfee: So, this thing that we lay over puts our spine into a leverage position. Then, we strategically put weight on the body part that we want to induce curvature in. Then, we do things like pelvic tilt, and sit-up and the neck flexion. And we induce curvature. And then all of a sudden, because you can't ever change the muscle attachment points on bone, and you got tight muscles. That means your bones are out of place. They're not in the ideal mechanical advantage. It's like everybody's running around with a bent crankshaft in their body. I mean, no wonder you're gonna have pain and, and you're not going to, you know, and the thing of it is, people don't realize, your body spends so much effort holding your body erect in gravity.
Diane Kazer: Yeah.
Eileen Durfee: And like if you have neutral posture when you're standing up, your hamstrings have zero effort, they're loose. And then your hamstrings are for locomotion. It's for speed, it's for fast twitch, it's for jumping, launching. But if you have tight hamstrings to begin with, that means that your weight is not centered over your hips. You might have a little bit of forward head posture, two inches, maybe two inches at the hips. It is typical, then your hamstrings are holding 843 pounds of effort. So that –
Diane Kazer: You think that it’s extra when you're out of alignment?
Eileen Durfee: Yeah. Yeah. And that will never be available for you to run from fast muscle twitch. The body reserves that and so you don't get the athletic performance. So, these products enhance athletic performance like nothing there is and no one else provides simultaneous posterior support with a groove to where you can do muscular co-contractions –
Diane Kazer: Yes.
Eileen Durfee: In a horizontal and vertical manner with anterior force to shape the spine. Nobody can give you the shape of the spine, but this.
Diane Kazer: So, can you tell me before we get into started on the other stuff?
Eileen Durfee: Okay.
Diane Kazer: Where did you come up with that 843?
Eileen Durfee: Dr. Scherger. Okay, so spinal biomechanics came from first Leonardo da Vinci, Borelli in 1680s, Pettibon and then Dr. Scherger. Dr. Scherger used to be in cranes and he used to be an iron worker and how cranes and leverage works. And so, the body has lever arm systems. So, he mathematically calculated just like Borelli did with a stevedore with 680 pounds on the shoulder, it translated into compression forces and shear forces into the spinal column. It was over like 12,000 pounds or whatever. But nobody had done the study to find out joint by joint C1 through C7, T1 through T12, L1 through L7 to find out what the shear forces and the compression forces are per joint. And Dr. Scherger did that. And wrote all these wonderful courses that are copyrighted, and he's dead, and his widow doesn't share that stuff. But it is mathematically proven that it's a 15:1 mechanical advantage. You know, everybody's into body muscle over leg training. Let's have some great biceps, triceps, but they're not looking at how the arm because of the posture of the spine, how that gets restricted and doesn't have the full potential.
Diane Kazer: Right.
Eileen Durfee: And so, giving the shape of the spine then enables the lever arms of the body to operate more efficiently. And so that's all part of his studies. And I, and I wrote, rewrote PDF guides. I'm working on rewriting his information and referring to certain technical stuff. I mean, you can't rewrite math, you know.
Diane Kazer: Sure.
Eileen Durfee: And so, I'm providing those examples to people. It's just like people, also like the New England Patriots, they don't have their players do leg extensions, or leg curls anymore because of Dr. Scherger’s work on what it does to the ACL ligament.
Diane Kazer: That's what happened when I was in college. My strength and conditioning coach was like, no more of that. We're going to do deadlifts and what was it for the quads? I think it was just deadlifts and squats. And I was like, why would we not? I don't understand. And then I went back to becoming a bodybuilder, a bikini competitor. And it was right back to leg extensions, knee extensions, same thing. And then -
Eileen Durfee: But what it does, what it does is because you've got your upper thigh bones, and then your joint, and then when you're extending them and weight is going down. That's going against the ACL and ACL –
Diane Kazer: In the knee. Yeah.
Eileen Durfee: …only stretches so much.
Diane Kazer: Ah, so it’s dangerous.
Eileen Durfee: And so, then you're repairing them. Yeah, it's dangerous.
Diane Kazer: Okay. Yeah, cuz I mean, exercises, I’m like, everything that you do, everything is micro tears. So but you're talking about like ligaments and tendons, not muscles. Like -
Eileen Durfee: Right, yeah, yeah. And it's dangerous. And you know, people are still doing it. And, you know, they are, people are out with knee, knee injuries all the time, because what are they doing? They're doing that. They're, they’re causing loose joints. So strong muscles don't make strong joints.
Diane Kazer: It sounds like a bit of a spine school, what you're doing. It's like a system with solutions that are products and kind of a whole total body rehabilitation, that if somebody bought some of these devices to retrain their spine, they can get their body back and reduce pain. And what else? Like what are the other benefits?
Eileen Durfee: Well, you know, from your brain, through your spinal cord, every single nerve exits through the meninges between the vertebrae –
Diane Kazer: Yeah, powerful.
Eileen Durfee: That gives us signals to every organ in your body. And if you are pinched, you know, it relates to organ health.
Diane Kazer: Mm.
Eileen Durfee: So, if you can get the flow of electrical energy and impulses to your organs, your whole, you know, health of your body is going to improve. And, you know, it's like everybody, kids, especially are doing the energy drinks and the coffee. It's because everybody's waking up without energy. But what if your body's spending more energy every day holding your head up, you know, your shoulders, your low back. What if your body didn't have to spend that energy because you had good posture?
Diane Kazer: How much energy do you think that our body actually uses? If you could even estimate or if there are scientific studies to show this you know, based on the work that you were just mentioning. Are there studies that actually show that if we’re carrying around almost 800 pounds of weight from an improperly stacked spine. How much energy could it possibly take? Like, is there a range of somebody who has like slightly curved spine to really curved spine?
Eileen Durfee: I have not read any study that extrapolates it to how much energy consumption you know, a person has. I know that there's a direct correlation between pain and losing range of motion, you know, with spinal irregularities. And, but you know, like, if you have - if I have to go to the chiropractor, I mean, I had a bicycle accident, you know, where I slammed into a guardrail, and my ribs were out. And, you know, I needed to go get adjusted, and I was just exhausted until that, you know, rectified. It's because, you know, everything's tightening up, your body is inflaming things to try to heal it, you know, and –
Diane Kazer: Cortisol.
Eileen Durfee: I mean, if everybody, everybody's probably suffered from back pain, or know somebody who does, and it's, it’s like debilitating.
Diane Kazer: Yeah.
Eileen Durfee: It is debilitating.
Diane Kazer: That would be me.
Eileen Durfee: But you know, I do laboratory hair analysis, and I can see the effect of stress on people as far as how their adrenal and thyroid gland is doing with the neurological –
Diane Kazer: These other mineral patterns.
Eileen Durfee: And, and you know, it's just like so many people are burnt out. Over 80% of people tested are like in a huge energy deficit.
Diane Kazer: Right. That's what I say too because they're in a slow pattern. And it's like, your adrenals and your thyroid are exhausted, and you can't fix hormone deficiencies with more hormones. Like, what do we not just do but what do we undo to give the body its best chance at adaptation or fighting off bugs, you know, viruses, which pretty much live in parasites. So you gotta go after both of them, but –
Eileen Durfee: Right.
Diane Kazer: Body is exhausted for a reason. And, and here's my last question, because, you know, I've done so much, a lot of rehabilitation because I had my breast implants removed two years ago, almost three years ago. And I have a lot of, obviously followers and ladies who are all about explanting and the rebuilding their body after my book, Killer Breasts is back there. And I, six weeks after I had my implants removed, I ruptured my Achilles tendon. So, I was at a second surgery, and then I had a third surgery that year. So, I was in and out of physical therapy and rehab. And I learned a lot about this stuff like about the spine and being out of place. And I have, you guys can listen to podcast where I talk with Navaz Habib about the vagus nerve and the importance of that, you know, communication. Your nerves are everything. And if you don't - what we always say is that you need to.
There's two very powerful things where the body will go out of place in terms of creating illness or hormone imbalances, or infections. And that is, you don't have proper amount of voltage, aka electricity in your body nerves, like Eileen is talking about or you have nutrient deficiencies, and then everything else from there fails. So, if you don't have electro, electro firing, then you lack power. And well, it makes sense, right? If you think about it from electrician standpoint. So, I saw these pictures of like, the human head weighs X amount of pounds based on that one movie, right? And what was it? The, Show Me The Money with Tom Cruise.
Eileen Durfee: Oh, yeah.
Diane Kazer: Anyway, I can’t remember the name of the movie, but the kid is like, did you know the human head weighs whatever he said, eight pounds? And so, isn't it that the more forward the head tilt, the more weight that's on the spine? It's something like a forward head tilt is like 30 or 40 pounds?
Eileen Durfee: Oh, it's, it's more than that. It's like over 100 pounds.
Diane Kazer: Oh God, dear Lord, and – but the majority people are this way. Like there's a lot of reverse -
Eileen Durfee: And so, why do people have pain down their shoulders -
Diane Kazer: Nerves.
Eileen Durfee: … and tight this? And then, what do people do? They take an ibuprofen and they take a muscle relaxer. That's the emergency. That's the, the alarm going off of the body. We can't have you shift anymore. It's going to even be more damaging. So, it's tightening those muscles for a reason.
Diane Kazer: Eileen, I don't have time to do everything you're talking about. That's just, that's too much work. I just –
Eileen Durfee: Yeah.
Diane Kazer: You know, I'm just gonna take a pill. I gotta get through the day and until you're like debilitated and on the side of the road, basically, you know your body is also on the side of the road, then you can't walk. And then now you're doing the nerve thing. I can't feel my arm. I know they're gonna amputate it but I'm kind of playing with you, guys. But what would you say to people who would say that, you know, what if they ignore it, if they continue to take ibuprofen and the painkillers. What then are the consequences of not addressing it the way that you're teaching it here with these devices?
Eileen Durfee: All they have to do is, go to spinalfitness.com. And it forwards you to the page and there's free PDF downloads, there's six of them. And it teaches you in there to fold a towel a certain way, where to place it, how to do a back twist, and lay down over it. And you'd be shocked. Totally shocked at how much better you feel just doing that.
Diane Kazer: Okay, awesome. Okay. Yeah.
Eileen Durfee: I mean, and so you don't have to start big.
Diane Kazer: Right.
Eileen Durfee: Start small. And that's the thing that, you know, all these professional athletes I've been working with and everything. They say, you know what I love about your products, Eileen? Every single one of them, I use it once, and I see a huge difference.
Diane Kazer: I love it. I love that because people don't continue because they don't see a difference.
Eileen Durfee: Right.
Diane Kazer: And/or it takes too much time or it's too hard, or it's too expensive. I'll tell you what’s expensive. What I've done. Since I was 17, I've been in a chiropractor's office pretty much every week for what is that? 25 years, and I still have back problems and I've done stem cell and PRP and ozone and those things have helped. But I still have my spinal issues. And I know it's because of sitting all day in front of my computer. I've had a lot of injuries too. And, and a lot of these things. Injuries could just be chronic and sitting in front of your computer like this all day or like iPad or phone or driving. And if it starts in your neck, the rest of your spine goes. And so, we all have that at this point. We all have spinal issues and one way or another to some degree, it's just a matter of time before it affects you. And especially if you've had breast implants.
I mean, that's like five pounds, pulling you forward, that gets heavier and heavier to the point where it's almost 10 pounds, 15 pounds by the time you remove them because of all the inflammation around them. It requires retraining our, our spine again. And if you ignore it, I've spent over $100,000 in chiropractic adjustments, treatments, spinal decompression, and done it all around the world. And I, I know that the bottom line is that I could be doing better things at home to prevent that.
