The Wonders of Ozonated Water at the Biohacking Superhuman Performance with Nat Niddam

Nat Niddam: Ozone, how much do you know about ozone? Do you know that it's three oxygen molecules that are bound together in a very specific way? Do you know that it can be both very toxic to your body, but at the same time, very healing to the body if you know how to use it, how to harness it properly. My guest today is that person. Her name is Eileen Durfee. She's a nuclear, a former nuclear power plant engineer. And she has an incredible healing story that she'll tell us about. And then we're going to deep dive into ozone. I'm going to tell you that ozone is only one of the areas of expertise that this woman has, but it's the topic that we picked for this episode. Maybe we'll bring her back for another one on another day.

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Thank you so much for being here. I totally appreciate you guys. And we're going to have a quick word from our sponsor, and then we're going to dive deep into ozone. Hey, folks, just a quick reminder that all of the information presented in this podcast is for information purposes only. No medical advice, no diagnosing. No treatments, suggested here. Before you try anything that you hear about or learn about here, make sure that you check with your medical provider.

Welcome to the podcast, Eileen Durfee. It is such a pleasure to have you here.

Eileen Durfee: Well, thanks for having me back.

Nat Niddam: It is a pleasure. So, you guys, we did record this episode. It was last winter sometime actually. And it’s taken us this long to re-record it. We had some, we had some technical issues. I was, you know, it was one of those podcasts where I called up and we called up Eileen’s team and said, You know what, we can do better. So, Eileen was gracious enough to come back and we are doing a podcast. Really, I think we're going to focus a lot on water and ozonating water and ozone and the benefits of ozone. But Eileen, before we dig into our topic, let's have you tell people a little bit about your fabulous background, because you do have a fascinating background that brings you, it brings you in a very particular way to the world that you're in right now, which is really like your website, Creatrix Solutions is all about, like things to optimize your health in ways that you never maybe thought possible before. So, so tell us a little bit about you, because you've got a great, great background there.

Eileen Durfee: Well, I've pretty much been sick my whole life. But I started out in the nuclear power plant industry as a quality engineer and, you know, worked a lot with construction. So, I was around a lot of toxins. These days, OSHA, you know, will make sure you've got respirators and have fresh air and all this and I became very sick. Later on, I learned that my body wasn't eliminating toxins. And I was just overloaded. And I mean, I just had just about everything wrong with me that you can imagine. And so, I mean, I did everything from teach blueprint reading, to auditing, to statistical analysis, a lot of different things. And so, the way my mind works is, you know, I'm a gizmo woman, and I try everything. And then I go to sleep and I see it. I see drawings, I see solutions, and I didn't have any brothers. So, my dad's very mechanical. We've got a lot of inventors in the family. So, it's like fun to like, do prototypes and try this. It's like making the light bulb sometime, not, not that bad. But –

Nat Niddam: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Eileen Durfee: You know, it's –

Nat Niddam: It’s like puzzle solving.

Eileen Durfee: Yeah, yeah. So, that's kind of my background where my illness drove me to come up with better widgets and solutions that are easier to integrate into our lives. And, and you know, now just turning 60 years old and feeling better than I did when I was in my 20s. You know, sleeping well, waking up with energy, you know, just, you know, feeling good, you know. So now I'm wanting to help other people.

Nat Niddam: Yeah, that's awesome. I love that. You know, people who come to this as problem solvers for themselves and people with a skill set, like you have like being an engineer, having that, coming from a family where, you know, problem solving is a hobby or it's, it's just what you guys do.

Eileen Durfee: Yeah.

Nat Niddam: Really, in a way, I mean, it kind of set you up to do what you're doing now. Sometimes, you know, we wonder about how the universe works, right?

Eileen Durfee: Right.

Nat Niddam: And had you been healthy and hale your whole life, you might not have turned your attention to this stuff. So –

Eileen Durfee: Right.

Nat Niddam: So, really interesting. But I mean, I guess obviously, as you said, it was that job. It's that toxic environment, ultimately, that led you to a place where you were so unwell that you had to start finding solutions for yourself.

Eileen Durfee: Yes.

Nat Niddam: Yeah. So. So, why don't - you know, there's, you know, people will go to your website and see that there's a lot there. But we decided today that we would really hone in on maybe a couple of things. And the thing that I really, I'm fascinated by, and I want to know more about. So, guys, you're coming on this journey with me is, is ozone. So, you have on your website, ozone generators, like an Ozone Bubbler that you can use to bubble ozone through water. And I think you can bubble ozone through oil as well. But why don't you tell us a little bit about what brought you to ozone? And did you solve any of your own problems with ozone and -

Eileen Durfee: Well, in the late 1990s, I learned about ozonating water. At the time, I thought everything wrong with me then was because I had Candida, and I had to eat, you know, I was eating paleo before paleo existed –

Nat Niddam: Yes.

Eileen Durfee: … because of the low carbs and you know, just meats and vegetables for the Candida. And, you know, it was like, you know, even if, when I switched from medicine that were antifungals, that are toxic to your body to natural antifungals, that darn stuff mutates against it all the time. You know, what mutates –

Nat Niddam: Oh yeah. What about that? Yeah.

Eileen Durfee: You know, and so when I came across ozonated water, you know, I heard about it, you know. And so, I started cleaning my vegetables, because that's the other thing. When you have Candida really bad, you're really sensitive to molds or any kind of thing. So, I was using it to clean all my foods before I ate them, and then they would last longer, but then I wouldn't have the allergy reactions to the things that were on the plants and vegetables. And then I started drinking it on an empty stomach. And you know, when you've got Candida really bad, you're fatigued all the time. It's hard to think. You know, you're just tired. And one of the things that I noticed is, I started having more energy. And if I drank enough ozonated water, I hardly had to take any of my antifungals where it was keeping the Candida populations, you know, suppressed. And so that was my first experience with it.

Of course, back then, I didn't know about inhaling the gas that wasn't dissolved in the water. I didn't know that it was causing permanent lung damage. I didn't know a lot of these things. At the time, there was a company selling ozone air purifiers. And later on, the Federal Trade Commission shut them down because everybody was like ozonating the air in their home. And they would love - some people would love the smell of it. But it was very, very dangerous.

Nat Niddam: Oh, you're kiddin! Like sniffing glue? Oh, my God.

Eileen Durfee: Yeah. Yeah.

Nat Niddam: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Eileen Durfee: And so, people didn't really understand that, that, that, you know, they know that they're killing the microbes in the air and the pathogens because of the ozone, but then they're breathing it. They didn’t correlate the fact. You know, some people will get headaches and they'll get nauseous and sick, but other people don't, but they may just have indigestion in their stomach and they didn't realize that inhaling the ozone gas was causing the indigestion. And so, I started learning more about what breathing ozone does when my son was going to school at the University of Washington because you know, the EPA says that you should not have more than 0.02 parts-per millions of ozone gas in the air or it's dangerous. So, they took basically healthy population and populations of people like with COPD or asthma and they came up with the 0.02. Because of the COPD and asthma, they're like very susceptible to the ozone gas.

Nat Niddam: Right.

Eileen Durfee: Like in a healthy person, they were able to breathe concentrations up to 0.01 –

Nat Niddam: Wow!

Eileen Durfee: … parts-per million in the air without you know, having health effects. But you know, I wanted to know why. What is actually going on in the body when you inhale the ozone gas. Well, one of the things we inhale air, our body is having oxygen bind receptor sites in our lungs. So, the one thing that my son who's a biologist with the major - minor in Chemistry, is that he said, Mom, that ozone is competing with oxygen receptor sites in the lungs.

Nat Niddam: Right.

Eileen Durfee: So, a lot of people that say, Oh, I love the smell of ozone, it makes me breathe deeper. The first thing I say, because after talking with my son is, hey, you're breathing deeper, because your body knows that it needs more oxygen.

Nat Niddam: Yeah.

Eileen Durfee: It is – it’s getting reduced amount of oxygen, you know, in the lungs. Now, the other bad part about this, the lung damage. See, our lung tissue is full of lipids. And ozone is like three molecules of oxygen. O1, O1 and O1. You know, normal oxygen O2, in, in nature, things that are paired or stable.

Nat Niddam: Yeah.

Eileen Durfee: Things that, you know, it's like a third wheel.

Nat Niddam: Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Odd man out.

Eileen Durfee: That third singlet is not going to stick around very long, and it breaks off of there. And then it oxidizes. And so, in the lung tissue, what it's doing is, it's, it's like burning. They say, it gives like the lungs a sunburn.

Nat Niddam: Wow!

Eileen Durfee: So, then you're having to turn over cell tissue in your lungs. So, you're causing, you know, permanent lung damage. And systemically we talked about how that goes into, you know, causing, you know, gastrointestinal, you know, upset and things like that. Some people will get headaches. Some people, you know, like somebody with COPD or asthma, literally, they could die from inhaling more than 0.02 parts-per million –

Nat Niddam: For sure.

Eileen Durfee: … ozone in the air.

Nat Niddam: Yeah.

Eileen Durfee: And so those air purifiers that I think the company was Alpine Air back then, you know, in the 90s. You know, some of the listeners may even had some of those, but, you know, it was very dangerous. And even now, people will have, you know, ozone generators, and I had ozone generators, and I've used them. And so, once I learned about the lung damage, I would do things like, put the ozone machine underneath my exhaust fan in my kitchen. And I would turn it on, and then I would leave.

Nat Niddam: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Eileen Durfee: Because I bought those ambient air meters. And I mean, oh my gosh, it's like three and four parts-per million, not like 0.1. So, it’s like, if you can smell ozone, it is causing lung damage.

Nat Niddam: So, so why would you use ozone? And would you? Is there any situation in which you would use ozone in, in a room? Like, would you basically turn it on to clean the air per se? And then turn it off, air out the room? And like, is there any point in doing that? There's got to be a better way of cleaning air in your room. I mean, that is not going to cause you lung damage, which sounds and, and guys, just to be clear, we're going to get to the good parts of ozone because there are a lot of benefits to ozone and safe and beneficial ways to use it, which I'm sure many of you know about. But I wanted to start with this because I've, I've got like this little ozone generator I'm supposed to put in my sauna. And I've heard of people doing that and having really unpleasant experiences. So, this is why we're having this conversation.

Eileen Durfee: Yeah, well, what I do with mine is like, when I'm getting ready to leave, I turn it on and have it discharged in the air. And I leave, because I set it for like 30 minutes.

Nat Niddam: Okay.

Eileen Durfee: And, and then, by the time I get back home, it's just pretty much because ozone is tremendous, you know. A molecule of ozone is equal to 3,000 to 10,000 molecules of chlorine.

Nat Niddam: Right. There’s something - I read something about it. You can use it in a pool instead of chlorine.

Eileen Durfee: Yeah, but it's like 3500 times more pathogenic to microbes, and, you know, all these things without any of these toxic effects. So, I use ozone in the air all the time. But right before I leave. For your pets, though, if you have pets indoors –

Nat Niddam: You don’t want to leave it on.

Eileen Durfee: … you don't want to, you know, leave it on. But, you know, that's what you should do is, you should limit it. And so, I got into this world of okay, what do we have out there for degassing options? You know, because I'm always using an ozone generator to dissolve the ozone gas into water but when you're using these bubblers, only 15% of the ozone gas actually stays in the water. If we convert ozone to ozonated water, that ozonated water is safe. It's like, and there's different types of matter. You know, gas, any kind of gas is the most reactive. When you get to a liquid, it's less reactive. And then of course, a solid is the most –

Nat Niddam: The most reactive. Right.

Eileen Durfee: Yeah. And so, when we can dissolve ozone gas into water, that is a miracle. And we'll talk about all the things we can use ozonated water for. But so, I went on this journey of buying gizmos to degas ozone. And, of course, it was just like I was unhappy with everything that I bought. One of them, it was $275. And it was just like a college science beaker with this little straw that went down with the few little nubs on it, and when I was ozonating it with that unit, I couldn't even get the water to one part-per million because the bubbles were too large. So, it wouldn't do the transfer into the water fast enough. And then it had these tubes that went to like this long PVC pipe. So, I mean, it looked ugly as sin, you know. And it was like, you know, trying to carry it around. I'm gonna break this thing that doesn't even work, you know. So, so that was my first journey. I’d bought myself a 3d printer and I started drawing gizmos and printing them and then trying them and I ended up creating something super simple that's easy to use.

Nat Niddam: Yeah.

Eileen Durfee: Just, it’s a, it’s a filter cap that screws on a glass jar.

Nat Niddam: Yeah.

Eileen Durfee: And then I'm, then, I'm using an FDA-approved stainless-steel diffuser with really small pores. So, it ozonates the water super-fast.

Nat Niddam: Yeah.

Eileen Durfee: Then it, then it's got these holes in here. So, the ozone gas that doesn't go in the water goes up into this filter medium. And this filter medium, you fill it up once and it'll last 10 years. And those –

Nat Niddam: What’s it filled with? Is that carbon?

Eileen Durfee: That is copper manganese pellets.

Nat Niddam: Okay. So, for you guys who are listening to this, if you ever wander over to YouTube, this will be on YouTube. Eileen is holding up her device right there. So, those are, what did you say? Copper, manganese and what pel -

Eileen Durfee: Manganese pellets.

Nat Niddam: Okay.

Eileen Durfee: It's copper manganese rocks there.

Nat Niddam: And so, what do they do? They deactivate the, the ozone basically that it takes from the water?

Eileen Durfee: Yeah, they immediately cause the O1, the third wheel to break off. So, then, pure oxygen comes out and with my ozone meter, 100% of ozone is degassed PERIOD

Nat Niddam: And so, when the O1, when you've got two O1s hanging out on alone, are they going to come together as an O2?

Eileen Durfee: Yeah, yeah. They, yeah. So, it will be O3. So the O1 breaks off and you end up having O2. So, you end up having pure oxygen.

Nat Niddam: Okay.

Eileen Durfee: And that's, that's why you know, this is so fabulous. But now it's safe. I don't have to turn on my exhaust fan. I don't have to leave the room. I can make my water. I can drink it. You know, and I'm just filing another patent on a gizmo so you can degas everything in your kitchen sink. You know, do a whole half a sink at the same time. And -

Nat Niddam: So, when you say degas, you mean you're gonna bubble the – you’re going to fill your kitchen sink with water and bubble ozone through that water? And you're not going to be at risk of inhaling the ozone that comes off the water?

Eileen Durfee: Nothing. Nothing. I had a dream and I have the solution. I've already done the patent search. I’ve had the drawings done. I'm getting ready to file right now.

Nat Niddam: Wow!

Eileen Durfee: So, we have something that's you know, easier than this. Because, you know, even though this deep, this'll completely saturate with ozone in five minutes.

Nat Niddam: Yeah.

Eileen Durfee: Still to clean, you know, vegetables and having –

Nat Niddam: We need a lot of it.

Eileen Durfee: You know, yeah, we need a lot of it. That's great for drinking, you know, the water.

Nat Niddam: So, what Eileen was holding up there is basically one of those mason jars that has a handle. So, it looks like a mason jar mug. Right? And that looks like –

Eileen Durfee: Yeah, yeah.

Nat Niddam: … it’s maybe like half a liter –

Eileen Durfee: 32 oz.

Nat Niddam: 32 oz. Okay. So, it's, it's relatively small. So, basically, if you have an ozone bubbler, you don't want to just stick it into an open container of water and bubble away because you're going to get an escape of ozone out of that water that's going to go into the air and that you're going to be breathing in that could be, that will be actually not good for you. What about if you're bubbling ozone through oil? Because I know that there's, there's applications for ozonated olive oil, which we can talk about as well. Would you use that same device? And does the? Is there less escape of ozone from the oil or more, because I’m - somehow, I imagined oil is viscous. And so maybe it would hang on to more of it. So, is there a difference there?

Eileen Durfee: So, less, less does escape out, but you still, when the bubbles pop –

Nat Niddam: You’re still doing it?

Eileen Durfee: …. more of the oil, you are still getting it into the air. People claim that oh, it's going to be encapsulated by the little tiny particles of the olive oil. Well, it's going to oxidize that because it's oil. And so, it's still a risk for the lungs.

Nat Niddam: Okay.

Eileen Durfee: So, there's a lot of people that teach to ozonate through olive oil, kind of like a filter. But I did that, and I had my ambient ozone meter, and it was still exceeding the amount that caused lung damage. So, yeah, it's not going to be as bad but it's still not the solution. It's still not safe.

Nat Niddam: Yeah, yeah. No, for sure. Well, and you know, so interestingly enough. So you get this Ambient Air Meter. Is that an expensive thing? Is that something people can just buy?

Eileen Durfee: About a $1,000.

Nat Niddam: Okay. So then, what we want to do is, talk to the experts like you and let you use your ambient meter and tell us how we can avoid needing to have one. Alright.

Eileen Durfee: Yeah. So, you need a degassing apparatus, you know.

Nat Niddam: Okay.

Eileen Durfee: And so, they sell a beaker one you can buy from Canada with that ridiculous $2275. Or I sell the one that I got the utility patent on for 219.99. Or I have a package, if you buy the ozone generator, that's 800 mg/hr, together, you get it at a discounted rate cheaper than buying each one individually. Okay. And then, you know, occasionally, that one goes on sale, but the reasons why, you know, people really want to think about drinking ozonated water.

Nat Niddam: Yeah. Let's get into the good part now, because we've talked about all the scary stuff. So, now let's get into the, we've talked about the dark side. Let's move into the light of, that is ozone.

Eileen Durfee: Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, a lot of people have heard about, you know, getting their blood taken out, ozonated and put back in their body. There's a lot of health benefits. You need a medical doctor, you need a special kind of ozone generator that's fed by oxygen tanks. Then, there's also ways to have an oxygen fed machine to dispense gas into bags, and then these bags are put into your ear orifice, you know, vaginally, rectally –

Nat Niddam: That’s insufflation, right?

Eileen Durfee: You know, all the different avenues and it’s called insufflation. And those have medical, you know, application.

Nat Niddam: So, let’s back up a bit. So, if I’m, if I’m using an ozone and I know there's a multiple pass, some people do 10 pass, other people will do a two pass. So, I guess that's how many times the blood goes through this ozonating process. The idea is that the ozone is going to go off – be pathogenic to pathogens. So, it's going to kill the pathogens in the blood. And it doesn't affect the good stuff. Like how do we -

Eileen Durfee: Let’s explain that.

Nat Niddam: Yeah, let’s do that.

Eileen Durfee: Whether you're doing insufflation, or in the blood or whether you're ozonating your own water and drinking it. The miracle of ozone is see, when your body has enough oxygen in it, cells have a protective enzyme coating around them. But if your cell is infected with bacteria, virus or it's, you know, going rogue like, you know, cancer or whatever. Or if you don't have enough oxygen in your body, cells begin to lose that protective enzyme coating. That's when they become susceptible to infection, you know, to pathogens.

Nat Niddam: Okay.

Eileen Durfee: And so, ozone is smart. It will not touch any of the cells that have that enzyme coating on them. So, what does it do? It's going blowing holes into cells and helping your body recycle the ones you know, that are infected, that are growing crazy, you know. So it helps the immune system dramatically and allows the body and it takes the straws off the camel's back.

Nat Niddam: Right.

Eileen Durfee: Because, you know, there's multiple studies online, from the National Center for Biotechnology Information, you know, Where, you know, I'll read the list. And this is, you know, because there's different studies from the insufflation, the gas, but here's the one for ozonated water benefits. It includes increased glutathione peroxidase, superoxide dismutase, catalase, prostacyclin, red blood cell glycolysis rate, oxygen metabolism and inactivation of bacteria, viruses, fungi, yeast, and protozoa.

Nat Niddam: Wow!

Eileen Durfee: So, unlike, you know, medicines that you know, are going to kill bacteria or have antiviral effects. A lot of those pathogens mutate against them. And so, they become superbugs where nothing can kill them.

Nat Niddam: Right.

Eileen Durfee: Well, with ozone, nothing can mutate against that oxidation.

Nat Niddam: Right.

Eileen Durfee: You know, so, so when that O1 breaks off, it's like destroying it. There's, there's no way it can ever stop that process. And so, when it's smart, so it's not going to damage your good cells, but it's, it’s going to lower your infection, because everybody, even though we don't have an infection, you know -

Nat Niddam: Yeah. It’s gonna lower your microbial load. Right?

Eileen Durfee: Yeah, yeah.

Nat Niddam: And I guess, I mean, I mean, we could anthropomorphize it and say, it's smart. Or we could say, it just doesn't chemically bind to the healthier cell for any number of biochemical reasons, whether it's the charge on the cell, and the charge of the ozone, whatever it is. It's not compatible to the healthy cell that's basically protected.

Eileen Durfee: Right.

Nat Niddam: Versus the, you know, a cell that's unhealthy, that would be more susceptible to its effects. It sounds pretty magical. It sounds like I want to be drinking buckets of this stuff.

Eileen Durfee: You know, the EPA, when they find areas of contaminated groundwater, they drill wells, injection wells. Then they had these giant ozonators. And they ozonate groundwater to clean up the contamination.

Nat Niddam: No kidding.

Eileen Durfee: And so, we're mostly water. So, that's, so, if it's not a miracle enough that gets things in activating bacteria and viruses, fungi, yeast, you know, amoebas, all this other bad stuff for us. So, our immune system can not be so taxed. You know, it's going to clean up heavy metals, and all these other things that are layered up in our cells being used like junkyard parts, you know, because that's the other thing people don't realize is that, if your body can't get calcium where it needs to go, it will like attract lead, like a magnet, but lead is bad. And so, this will help break down lead and all these things, just like the groundwater. You know, so drinking this water, you know, it's got those two benefits. And then if that's not enough –

Nat Niddam: Wait, there's more.

Eileen Durfee: After that oxidation happens, what's left over from Ozone? Pure O2.

Nat Niddam: Right.

Eileen Durfee: And this is kind of like the scenario of a dog chasing its tail, when you think about your body has an oxygen hierarchy. You know, it's like when we're indoors, and we're sedentary, we're not having the oxygen levels, like we should. That's why we're trying to deep breathe or trying to be active, you know, but Earth just has a lot less oxygen as well. And so, when we don't have enough oxygen, our body selectively starts letting go of those enzyme coatings on the cells. And so, you know, and it knows that your brain and your bone marrow is more important than your joint cartilage.

Nat Niddam: Right.

Eileen Durfee: So, it like selectively, so we're almost like a jalopy that needs alternators. So, we jumpstart our car and we drive without the headlights on.

Nat Niddam: Right, right, right.

Eileen Durfee: So, this is going on with the cells with oxygen. So, the miracle is, is after it gets done cleaning up and deactivating all the bad guys we're fighting, it's actually flooding our body with more oxygen. So, we're getting more enzyme coating on our cells so they're less prone to infection.

Nat Niddam: Wow!

Eileen Durfee: It’s phenomenal. I mean, this is like one thing everybody should be doing.

Nat Niddam: Yeah, no kidding. Not breathing it. Drinking it.

Eileen Durfee: Not drinking it.

Nat Niddam: Not breathing it. Drinking it.

Eileen Durfee: That’s right.

Nat Niddam: And I was, I was actually reading because I was poking around on PubMed before we, we hopped on the podcast, and they were talking about insufflation. And in this case, they were talking about vaginal insufflation actually. And we know that, you know, there's a microbiome - we have microbiomes, specific, like on your skin, in your colon, in every orifice of your body. And in this study, what they had actually showed, because, you know, it's like when you take an antibiotic or an antiviral, they're non-selective. So, what we –

Eileen Durfee: Right.

Nat Niddam: We do know is that they disrupt the microflora of whatever, of our bodies. And as a result, we end up with overgrowth of the wrong stuff, we get rid of the pathogens, but we end up with all these other imbalances. And to your point, I think this speaks a little bit to what you're talking about. In the case of the vaginal microbiome, it didn't, it didn't affect, it didn't negatively affect the positive species of lactobacillus and whatever that we want. And actually, went after or, or eradicated, if you will, the negative bacteria or viruses or pathogens that were existing there. So, it helped to restore balance, which I thought was really interesting, because again, we're talking about the selectivity of a compound –

Eileen Durfee: Right.

Nat Niddam: … that is, you know, at the end of the day, we can talk about it being smart. It's three molecules of oxygen, like it just does not have a brain. But there's something about the electrical charge and the magnetism, like whatever it is that it's able to bind and attack certain things. And the stuff that we want is ultimately not susceptible to it.

Eileen Durfee: Right. So, it's, you know, that's, that's the miracle of drinking it and what it can do for you. But I take it one step further is, is, you know, there's a lot of food poisoning that, you know, isn't associated with, oh, I don't feel bad because I have food poisoning. A lot of people can have symptoms that are not diagnosed correctly, but it is coming from the food that they're eating.

Nat Niddam: Right. So, like low level –

Eileen Durfee: Not to mention. Yeah, but not to mention the stuff that can kill you like E. coli mixed on some lettuce, or, you know, salmonella or listeria in the food. You know, it's like, when I think about going out to eat, it's like I cringe to go eat at a salad bar, because I know they didn't wash everything in ozonated water. I mean, literally, I could take strawberries that was proven to kill somebody. And I could ozonate them, because everything is a contact time, concentration for a kill rate. Like E. coli takes 0.1 part-per million of ozonated water for 15 seconds -

Nat Niddam: That's it.

Eileen Durfee: …of washing that and it can, it kills it, but like my ozonator will make 1.5 part-per million ozonated water.

Nat Niddam: So, it's instantaneous?

Eileen Durfee: One of them –

Nat Niddam: Yeah.

Eileen Durfee: One of them, I have the, the bigger one makes six part-per million ozonated water. And so, it's like killing all this stuff on contact. And also, you know, if you look at foods under a microscope, there's all kinds of insect larvae, you know, there’s parasites that are going to go inside your body and hatch. And, you know, here we're all doing all this parasite program. Well, let's cut it right down. Let's quit putting it in first.

Nat Niddam: Yeah. Yeah. You'll save 1000s on antiparasitics. Wow! So, do you wash all of the food that you eat? Like, would you - if you're having chicken, would you rinse your chicken in ozonated water or your [0:34:12 inaudible] Like, and you don't have to soak it, obviously. It sounds like you can just kind of run it under the water. And you're done.

Eileen Durfee: Right. So, I have another utility patent that I have granted to me that I haven't made yet. But it actually with the different degassing technology, that grounds the positive and so we're going to be able to turn on our faucet. Right now, you can turn on your faucet and have ozonated water but you're gonna have to spend $25,000 to have that.

Nat Niddam: Yeah, that’s a bit of an investment. Yeah.

Eileen Durfee: Because of that degassing technology. I have a new degassing technology that I got the utility patent and it's a disruptive patent. It's gonna get rid of all of these giant hoppers with the heaters, with those pellets. I mean, it’s gonna make it obsolete. And, but you know, I can just imagine myself on the cooking show maybe with Bobby Flay with a black light. They say, don't rinse your chicken breasts, right? Because you're gonna get Manila everywhere. And they show how you get it on your kitchen sponge, and it goes all over the counter [0:35:18 cross talk] It’s like you’re cleaning everything, and you're just spreading it around.

Nat Niddam: Spreading it around. Yeah.

Eileen Durfee: Right. So, I would just be there with the black light showing all of the microbes crawling all over. And I'll just put, turn on the faucet and ozonated water. I'll just rinse it and they'll just disappear. So, for now, I ozonate water and I rinse my meat in it for about five seconds. And then it's completely, those populations are killed. And then I, you know, I cook with it. And so, you know, so for all my meats, for -

Nat Niddam: Fruits, vegetables.

Eileen Durfee: All the vegetables and all of that because the surfaces, especially if somebody's juicing, and they're not cooking some of that stuff, you know, it's just going right in for your immune system to have to fight. So, yeah, and then you can rest assured, even if there's a recall for salmonella or E. coli, you're not gonna get sick from it, because it's going to be nonexistent.

Nat Niddam: Right. I mean, you wouldn't - I mean, you know, I think part of the problem there is also people eating these highly processed foods like processed meats. That's, that's where we're getting a lot of these recalls and listeria issues, which –

Eileen Durfee: Right.

Nat Niddam: … shockingly sounds a lot like hysteria. But you know, for a good reason, I guess. And you're - I don't, I don't imagine. I mean, I don't eat a lot of processed meat, but I can't imagine myself rinsing this, you know, a slice of Turkey. But at the same time, if I'm drinking the ozonated water that it's going to offer some protection as well, right?

Eileen Durfee: Yes, yes. It will.

Nat Niddam: At the same time, like, it -

Eileen Durfee: Oh yeah. If I, there's been circumstances where you know, it's like I've eaten something and Costco’s saying, there's a recall for this, for whatever. Just as good measure even though I cleaned it in there, I just go make myself a glass of ozonated water or take some hydrochloric acid and you know, just down it, you know –

Nat Niddam: Yeah.

Eileen Durfee: You're gonna chase that thing.

Nat Niddam: Die, die! Okay, so then, so then we've got it covered on food. It's, it's, it's kind of one of those things where, I mean, you probably should all be doing it. And it's interesting, you know, because as I was, again, as I was thinking about this, we have a, we have a cabin by a lake and – on the lake and we have beavers in the water. So, we don't drink the lake water. Even though we have a water filtration system, and we also have a lot of iron in the water. So, the water is kind of red. It's actually not kind of red, it is red because of the amount of iron. So, I was wondering if and you would, you would mention that ozonating the water will remove the minerals. So, in essence, if we're ozonating our drinking water, we have to re-mineralize the water after we've removed the - we've ozonated it if that's all you're drinking, which I don't think it would be but -

Eileen Durfee: But you want to, you want to drink the ozonated water while it's still active. So that -

Nat Niddam: So how long is it active for after you've ozonated it?

Eileen Durfee: It depends on the temperature of the water, the pH and the total dissolved solids. But typically, you know you want to drink it within 15 minutes. It could last up to 30 minutes.

Nat Niddam: Okay.

Eileen Durfee: So, because you want the oxidation to happen while it's inside your body, you just got to drink that down. And then your next glass of iron [0:38:53 audio gap] I use spring water just because I'm not a fan of unstructured water you know, and spring water is naturally structured. And so, I just ozonate it. I don't like RO water or distilled water because it'll rip minerals, good minerals with the bad. So, I just I'm ozonating my spring water and I'm drinking it to get the oxygen, the detox, the immune system boost, the ex - you know all of that. That's what I do. But then the rest of my water, I actually drink Mountain Valley Water –

Nat Niddam: Right.

Eileen Durfee: I have it delivered in five-gallon glass jars. So, I mean, I'm getting my minerals. I use, you know, a mineral salt, healthy salt. It's 20% minerals in my water. So, I'm not going to worry about the one or two glasses of ozonated water I have a day, you know.

Nat Niddam: That's not - that may not have that. So, but to go back to my question. So, the ozone, the process of ozonating the water will, will remove, it'll remove the minerals?

Eileen Durfee: It’ll, well, each mineral, see everything, whether it's a pathogen –

Nat Niddam: It’s where do they go. Yeah.

Eileen Durfee: Everything has a contact time, a concentration of ozone like the city of Los Angeles ozonates sewage water, like at 50 parts-per million with these giant ozonators. And they'll literally turn it into like crystal clear drinking water, sewage.

Nat Niddam: Wow. Wow. Wow.

Eileen Durfee: And so, but every mineral has a different time and some of them are harder to get rid of than others.

Nat Niddam: I see.

Eileen Durfee: So, what it's better to do like for your lake house, it’s probably going to filter that's really good at removing iron.

Nat Niddam: Yeah.

Eileen Durfee: And then, you know, you know, use a UV light, you know, to kill, you know, pathogens and then just ozonate based on -

Nat Niddam: As a last, yeah.

Eileen Durfee: Yeah.

Nat Niddam: Yeah, I see. Yeah, the, the iron removal is the, is the, it's the big, it's the big nut really, because I think that's the hard part.

Eileen Durfee: Yeah.

Nat Niddam: And we kind of need to get on that because I'm getting a little bit tired of schlepping jugs of water because we're boat access. So, you got to go buy it, put it in the car, get loaded onto the boat, get it off the boat. Right? There's nobody delivering the water to my cottage. Let's be clear. It's me, my husband and whoever else is coming. Anyway, okay, well, you know, we're gonna have to get your - you to have a dream about my water system. But my God, it’s something. Okay, so, so we were drinking ozonated water in proper proportions to - for our health to reduce our – Really, we're reducing the pathogenic load in the, in the body and to your point, what you're doing is, you're making life a little easier for your immune system. It's just, it’s –

Eileen Durfee: Right.

Nat Niddam: You know, the immune system, often, often, we get sick when we - when our system gets overwhelmed. So, what we're doing here is, we're reducing that toxic load. We can, if we have a doctor who is well versed in these procedures, we can do the ozonation of the blood where your blood literally gets drawn out, flow through a machine ozonated and then brought back into your body. And there are doctors that are doing this multiple times in one sitting, which I know for people with Lyme and certain other pathogenic issues can be really an effective way to, to help them again, reduce their toxic load.

Eileen Durfee: Right.

Nat Niddam: And there's the insufflation that we're talking about where again, you have to do that under medical supervision do you think or is that more of a DIY at home thing?

Eileen Durfee: There's, there's people that buy the machines that do it themselves too.

Nat Niddam: And so, do you have to be careful about dosage and how often you do it in that sense –

Eileen Durfee: Yeah.

Nat Niddam: … because your body –

Eileen Durfee: Yeah.

Nat Niddam: Like you, you absorb stuff. That's why you know, suppositories is such an effective way of delivering even supplements sometimes.

Eileen Durfee: Right. You know, drinking an ozonated water is not going to increase your body oxygen metabolism - metabolism as much as if you do insufflation.

Nat Niddam: Interesting.

Eileen Durfee: But insufflation can be really strong. You know, you can have digestive upset, bloating, you can have some really strong reactions to it. It's hard to keep up insufflation regime.

Nat Niddam: Well, I would think it has to do with die-off, right? Like, I mean, if you're –

Eileen Durfee: Yes. Right.

Nat Niddam: If you're going after pathogens, you know, when you're doing rectal insufflation, you're going after the pathogens, and they're - they're gonna die. They release stuff when they die.

Eileen Durfee: Whole lot quicker.

Nat Niddam: Pardon?

Eileen Durfee: Yes, they do. Yeah, it, it definitely goes after them. It's, just goes right up that portal vein and it hits the bloodstream. So, it is really going after a lot. And [0:45:56 audio gap] and a lot of people that do that are really, you know, have major health issues, you know, they're down for the count, so to speak. And so, you have to really do baby steps. That's where I like, start teaching people now, you know. Get the ozonators, start, you know, lowering your overall load, making your food safe and boosting your oxygen now, so you don't have to go to like that extreme. Because everything we do, it takes time too and then trying to get it into your routine and to be dedicated to it, to have it transform your life, you know.

Nat Niddam: Yeah.

Eileen Durfee: So…

Nat Niddam: So, so if somebody's just starting to drink ozonated water, then you probably - you're not, it sounds to me like you're not recommending that they start chugging a liter or a gallon of it a day, like you start -

Eileen Durfee: Oh, actually every –

Nat Niddam: … little baby steps.

Eileen Durfee: Everybody's different. I've had people that drank four ounces of ozonated water that are calling me saying that their migraine headaches are gone. And I've got people drinking four ounces ozonated water telling me that they've got a migraine headache.

Nat Niddam: Right.

Eileen Durfee: That they never have.

Nat Niddam: Right.

Eileen Durfee: And, and so it's like almost like –

Nat Niddam: Start small.

Eileen Durfee: Two ounces. And this is the other thing. This is the other mistake people make is, oh yeah, ozonated water is great. So, I'm gonna swallow my supplements with it. And I, and I, and I state over and over is, half an hour before you eat anything or take anything, or two hours after you've eaten. So, empty stomach. So, empty stomach does not mean taking the supplements with it.

Nat Niddam: Yeah.

Eileen Durfee: Because then it's going to negate, it's, it’s going to use up that oxidation. Then it's going to break down the good stuff and not make it as effective. So, you've shot yourself in the foot.

Nat Niddam: Yeah.

Eileen Durfee: So, so empty stomach when you're drinking ozonated water for sure. And then I have people that do because you can, you can ozonate water, like the machines that I have are a corona discharge. So, they have 0.003. So, it's very little nitric acid, but that is not considered suitable for insufflation even though it's 0.003.

Nat Niddam: That's three 1000s –

Eileen Durfee: Yeah.

Nat Niddam: … of a part. Yeah.

Eileen Durfee: That's too much. But you can get away with ozonated water with the corona discharge generator and doing an enema. So then I had people going.

Nat Niddam: Oh.

Eileen Durfee: Mixing their coffee enema water with ozone – then, they're ozonated. I'm going no, no. It's like we need the caffeine in the palmitic acid, in the, the enema solution for your coffee enema to cause you know it to go up the portal vein and increase bile production. And so, we don't want to again use up our oxidation of the ozone by breaking down those good guys. It's like then you have two procedures that are less effective.

Nat Niddam: Right. So, they're neutralizing – they neutralize each other. So, you're – and actually, coffee enema is another thing that you talk about. So it's an interesting because coffee enemas also upregulate glutathione production. Do they not?

Eileen Durfee: 600%.

Nat Niddam: 600%. So, we want to do these apart.

Eileen Durfee: Yeah, so there's just like, don't breathe it, don't mix it with stuff -

Nat Niddam: Don’t take your supplements with it. Yeah.

Eileen Durfee: You know, so there's just a few, few tips and tricks to, to make it you know, easy to use. The other side benefit of like cleaning your, I don't know, years ago, before I knew about ozone, I used to like take a teaspoon of bleach to like a gallon of water and then rinse all my vegetables and everything and dry them.

Nat Niddam: Sure. Yeah.

Eileen Durfee: And then they would last longer and it would kill the mold on them. So, then my allergies and my Candida wasn't so bad. Well now, we don't have to use bleach. We can use ozonated water to clean all that and they last so much longer.

Nat Niddam: longer. Well, that's so interesting, because I know that a couple of years ago, I heard about, I read about rinsing, because berries go bad so fast, right. So, clearly, berries are prone to mold and - because you know, they have no skin really. Their skin is the surface and just rinsing them with. I think it was one to 10 parts apples like vinegar, Apple Cider Vinegar and water would reduce, I guess it kills a lot of the spores.

Eileen Durfee: Right.

Nat Niddam: And you get to keep your strawberries or your raspberries a lot longer. But I guess ozone kind of takes it next level.

Eileen Durfee: Actually, I had a strawberry farmer call me. And he was wanting to spray his plants with ozonated water. He wanted to know part per million. He wanted to know, can you spray during bloom, so on and so forth. So, I spent like two hours reading all the studies about ozonated water and strawberries. And one of the studies I read was interesting that when you sprayed them with ozonated water, the nutrient value went up in the berries.

Nat Niddam: You’re kidding me?

Eileen Durfee: No, it actually improved the nutrient content in the berries.

Nat Niddam: Wow!

Eileen Durfee: Besides killing all of the, you know, mold and mildew and everything that strawberries are susceptible to.

Nat Niddam: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Eileen Durfee: Then, you can spray them during the bloom and, and everything. So, it's a real game changer –

Nat Niddam: That’s fascinating.

Eileen Durfee: … for people raising strawberries as well as all kinds of other crops. It's amazing. I, I read a study, you know, for gardeners out there. I read a study on using ozonated water on onions and cucumbers. And it got rid of all the powdery mildew and the side effect from foliar spraying -

Nat Niddam: Just spray on the leaves. Spray on the leaves here. Yeah.

Eileen Durfee: Yes, yes. The production of produce increased as high as 40%. So, it's like there's still the ground that you're growing on. You spray it, it's healthier, it produces 40% more produce.

Nat Niddam: Crazy. So, for a home gardeners or someone who's got like their little vegetable garden at home, you could I mean, we need your next invention that's bigger than a mason jar because you'd spend your whole day making ozonated water.

Eileen Durfee: Well, actually, actually outside because of the air, you don't have so much problem with the ozonated water because also –

Nat Niddam: Okay.

Eileen Durfee: See, see the bubblers are what we call diffusion. But there's another method to get ozone dissolved in water and that's through in venturi injection. That's under pressure. But I have a machine that’s on legs. It has a handle and you screw a hose going in it. You screw a hose going out of it. And it uses venturi injection, which then dissolves 85% of the ozone gas into water. So, you hardly have any coming out in the air. And then it's super concentrated but it’s immediate. So, then you can use like a coil sprayer and you can spray your plants so no more chemicals for mold and mildew and your plants will grow stronger. And then it actually reduces the, the, the larvae that would hatch for insects that can harm the plants. And so, it's like a real game changer for your home garden. And we have a portable unit. It's called the Tri-Oxy COMPLETE that is pretty amazing. I actually have some people who grow 4-H animals. And so, when they go out and slop the hogs every day, they use a hose sprayer and they spray down the pens. And an interesting thing happened. They didn't have any flies hatching. It was killing the fly eggs. And so, they’d have to put –

Nat Niddam: Wow!

Eileen Durfee: … miticide around the animal eyes anymore.

Nat Niddam: Yeah.

Eileen Durfee: And then they -

Nat Niddam: That’s amazing.

Eileen Durfee: Then they have it hooked up to the watering system for the chickens and they don't have to scrub out the water troughs anymore because there's no algae.

Nat Niddam: That's so interesting. But so, is there, is there any chance that it would harm beneficial because we know there's beneficial bugs like bees –

Eileen Durfee: Right.

Nat Niddam: And things like that. Do we have any sense of, of the effect on things like, like pollinators?

Eileen Durfee: Well, so once the bug is hatched and grown, it just makes them healthier. It doesn't hurt any living, you know organism. So, as far as bees, if they're flying by with ozonated water, it’s just not going to hurt them at all.

Nat Niddam: So, but it was, so it was going after the fly larvae, not the flies themselves?

Eileen Durfee: Right. Exactly.

Nat Niddam: I see. Okay. So that's it because I can't run around killing the mosquitoes at my cottage just by –

Eileen Durfee: No. No.

Nat Niddam: And the deer flies, I hate deer flies. We need a Zapper. We need a good Zapper.

Eileen Durfee: Right. And they make this thing, that's got an attractant and it's powered by propane tank, that the mosquitoes, it'll clean up like acres of areas where you can be mosquito free, because they're all going to go to that thing and it'll suck them up. And then -

Nat Niddam: Nice. Yeah, you know, it's, it’s funny, like I get. I'm conflicted about these things, right. Because ultimately, the mosquitoes feed the birds even though they feed on me. You know, it is part of the food chain, like at some level, we have to - when we're in nature, we have to put up with nature, even some of the things that we don't like as much.

Eileen Durfee: You’re right.

Nat Niddam: Because, you know, we, we run around exercising our will on all parts of nature. And eventually we end up throwing something completely out of balance. But definitely, I mean, look, being able to ozonate the water for, you know, for pigs, and making it that there's no flies around that are making them miserable, not bringing anything to, beneficial to their lives or getting rid of the algae in the water that you're watering your chickens is going to improve their lives and ultimately, the food that you get from them, be it eggs or -

Eileen Durfee: And another thing that they told me because you know, H1N1, Bird Flu is big.

Nat Niddam: Yeah.

Eileen Durfee: And I mean, at different times, they are killing millions of chickens because it's highly contagious.

Nat Niddam: I know. Yeah.

Eileen Durfee: But Ozone kills bird flu, like on contact. So, this one rancher that was, you know, feeding the chickens with the ozonated water, he noticed that they were drinking more water. And every year when all the chickens would hatch, they would have a certain percent that would die. After he started using ozonated water, he had zero deaths.

Nat Niddam: You’re kidding me?

Eileen Durfee: No. And so, it, it’s just like really ozone ozonated water.

Nat Niddam: Yeah, yeah, not just ozone.

Eileen Durfee: It’s like a, it’s a miracle, you know?

Nat Niddam: It really is. There was actually, there was even a study on PubMed, excuse me on PubMed that talked about. They had done clinical trials on people with COVID. And where they used – now, in this case, I think they were ozonating the blood. Again, this, nobody was and it was not even insufflation. But it, again, it was, they talked about it, enhancing the effect of the antiviral drugs. But I wonder if what it was really, I mean, maybe it was doing that, but maybe could it have been just reducing the viral load so that the antiviral drug had less. There was just - you just had two, two powers at play instead of just one kind of thing.

Eileen Durfee: Yeah. I, I’ve a tendency to agree with that.

Nat Niddam: Yeah, no, it was really and then there was another study for people with fibromyalgia. Again, they were using the, this was the blood, the blood treatment, but there was, 55% of the people in this clinical trial had improved results, like they felt better. And again, who knows because fibromyalgia is so poorly understood. If it's being driven by some kind of a pathogen, it kind of makes sense that you get rid of the pathogen and people are going to start to feel better. And then of course, we know in dentistry that ozone has a huge, huge application, right, at least in holistic dental practices.

Eileen Durfee: Right.

Nat Niddam: Where they're doing, I guess it's for root canals? It, they are blowing ozone into the cavity.

Eileen Durfee: Right. Yep, that's very beneficial.

Nat Niddam: Yeah, so it's pretty magical stuff.

Eileen Durfee: Yeah. And I mean, I ozonate water, and I brush my teeth in ozonated water.

Nat Niddam: Yeah, well, it makes total sense.

Eileen Durfee: Just as you know, preventive in like, swishing it around. Yeah.

Nat Niddam: All right.

Eileen Durfee: And I have a few prototype devices where it's on certain faucets where I just turn it on. I mean, I don't have to make it. It just flows out of the faucet. So, you know, washing my hands, you know, it's like, nothing. I mean, it's just like such a great way to, you know, be effective at germs, you know. It's like with, with COVID, you know. Think of all the superbugs we've created with all these hand sanitizers.

Nat Niddam: Yeah. And the microbiome disruption on the skin. I mean, it's –

Eileen Durfee: Yes.

Nat Niddam: People who've been with the antimicrobe antibacterial soaps. It's been, I'm sure it's been, I mean, COVID has been a disaster in so many different ways.

Eileen Durfee: Right.

Nat Niddam: Like, I just read something yesterday about the, the tonnage of masks ending up in the ocean right now.

Eileen Durfee: Yeah. But we banned straws.

Nat Niddam: Well, I mean, we needed to ban straws, too. It's just that we've replaced them with the damn masks.

Eileen Durfee: More than banning straws –

Nat Niddam: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So, I think we've done such a good job digging into ozone today. I'm so proud of us, Eileen.

Eileen Durfee: Yes, we did good, I think.

Nat Niddam: I think so.

Eileen Durfee: I think people can understand, you know, and not be scared of it. It's like they hear about the ozone layer. And they're going, Oh, ozone is bad, you know.

Nat Niddam: Yes.

Eileen Durfee: But it's used in every single industry, all the water bottle industries, you know, it’s in dairy. They’re using in vineyards, you know, there's just like about every single industry using ozone. And so, it's something that, you know, they all have degassing systems, like 5% of the cost worldwide of ozone systems is degassing.

Nat Niddam: Right. So, it's neutralizing the, the off gassing so that -

Eileen Durfee: Right, that doesn't dissolve. And so that's, so you know, I've got the patent that is actually going to get rid of all that expensive equipment, like there's like these $20,000 hoppers where they could have for less than $1,000 my gizmo, and then you don't even have to have electricity to continue to feed it to make it work.

Nat Niddam: Wow!

Eileen Durfee: So, I can hardly wait until I get that phase of my development going. But I have 20 years, because it's a huge patent. So –

Nat Niddam: Cool.

Eileen Durfee: I won’t wait that long but -

Nat Niddam: So, for those of us, for people who have an ozone bubbler that don't yet have the cool little mason jar with the, what was it?

Eileen Durfee: Degasser.

Nat Niddam: With the degasser. But what were those little marbles –

Eileen Durfee: Filter cap.

Nat Niddam: Yeah, the filter cap. We can use our -

Eileen Durfee: And it comes with –

Nat Niddam: With, yeah. But, but then, you can use it outside. And it would still be relatively –

Eileen Durfee: Yes.

Nat Niddam: We can use our units outside and be, and be safe. But for using it indoors, you really need a unit like that that's going to neutralize that ozone so that it doesn't end up –

Eileen Durfee: Right.

Nat Niddam: … in your airspace. Or you have to run out of the room and then hold your breath, come back into the room, turn it off, hold your breath, run out of the room.

Eileen Durfee: Yeah.

Nat Niddam: Which sounds highly impractical. Alright, so Eileen -

Eileen Durfee: You know, people end up breathing ozone gas. That’s what they do.

Nat Niddam: Yeah.

Eileen Durfee: And then they don’t realize that their indigestion and stomachache is a direct result of -

Nat Niddam: And nausea. Well, you know, it's interesting, you mentioned that because I was going to see a practitioner. And this was during COVID. And she would run an ozone generator in the room in between patients. But I remember walking into that room a couple of times and feeling sick to my stomach because the smell was so strong that –

Eileen Durfee: Yep.

Nat Niddam: I was just like, Oh, my God, that stuff is nauseating. And she was like, oh, yeah, you know, people love this smell. And I'm like, I don't love this smell. And it makes me feel kind of nauseous. So, now I understand why. Although, you know, in her, in her case, I guess it was basically, she couldn't have because it was during COVID. And they were, it was [1:03:48 inaudible], because I would imagine it would have pretty much eradicated any COVID –

Eileen Durfee: Oh yeah, yeah.

Nat Niddam: … hanging out.

Eileen Durfee: Yeah. Yeah.

Nat Niddam: So, all right. So, have we left anything unsaid about ozone that you would like to share, Miss Eileen?

Eileen Durfee: Don't drink ozonated water right before bed.

Nat Niddam: Right.

Eileen Durfee: Because it releases oxygen and you're gonna feel all creative and energized.

Nat Niddam: Great for lucid dreaming maybe?

Eileen Durfee: It's a great way to break. Like, if you're really reliant on caffeine more than you should be. I mean, I drink one small cup of coffee a day, you know?

Nat Niddam: Yeah.

Eileen Durfee: But if you feel like you're really reliant on caffeine, doing - adding ozonated water in the morning will give you that pick me up and you'll just be amazed at how energetic you'd feel and it can help you, you know if that's one of your goals is to reduce the amount of caffeine you're consuming. This is the hack to do it.

Nat Niddam: Amazing.

Eileen Durfee: You won’t feel like you're depriving yourself of anything.

Nat Niddam: Well, or for that midafternoon slump. I'm sure it would be perfect for that as well. Right?

Eileen Durfee: Yes, exactly.

Nat Niddam: Just don't take, so you don't want to take your supplements with it. You don't want to mix your coffee enema with it. You want to have it on an empty stomach. And not - let's say after dinner, more in an ozone-free zone?

Eileen Durfee: Right.

Nat Niddam: Okay, done. Perfect. Thank you. So, as we close, let's tell people where they can find you and where they can find your fabulous things. And I think we had a discount code for people to use if they went to your website. I just can't remember where it was.

Eileen Durfee: Yeah. I will reactivate it because it's expired. OZONE15.

Nat Niddam: Okay. So, ozone15.

Eileen Durfee: So, it’s gonna take 15% off of any of the ozone products.

Nat Niddam: Amazing. So, that's is your website?

Eileen Durfee: Yes.

Nat Niddam: Creatrix being create, kind of like creative only with an X at the end?

Eileen Durfee: Yes, T-R-I-X. Creatrix.

Nat Niddam: T-R-I-X. Yeah. Yeah, And you have an Instagram page as well. Are you on Instagram as well or?

Eileen Durfee: Yes. Yes. It's Creatrix Solutions. Yes.

Nat Niddam: Perfect. Any other, anything else? Any other place people can track you down?

Eileen Durfee: Well, I mean, I've got YouTube channel, SoundCloud, you know – all of the things.

Nat Niddam: And what's your YouTube channel, then? Also, Creatrix Solutions?

Eileen Durfee: Yeah.

Nat Niddam: Creatrix. And you kept it consistent, good for you. All right. So, our discount code people is, OZONE15 and it's at All of this will obviously be in the show notes. And thank you. Thank you so much, Eileen for coming back and for doing this episode with me. I just love this deep dive into ozone. This was so informative.

Eileen Durfee: Well, you're very welcome anytime.