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Eileen Durfee Explains the Benefits of the Sauna Fix on the Recent Podcast with Dr Stephanie Rimka

Speaker 1: All right, everybody. Hey, it's Dr. and I have a very special guest with me today. If you've seen any of my videos on Instagram or Facebook, you'll often notice I'm sweating and I'm in a, kind of a red glow it's because I'm in my sauna pretty much every single day. At this point, I love heat stress therapy, and this is the woman who has made my life so much better with her incredible sauna. That is my absolute favorite. And I've gone on and on in many videos about why I like the sauna better than any sauna I've ever had or ever used. And why I always tell you, it is worth you making this investment to have something in your home. That's a powerful healing tool. So this is Eileen Durfee, please say, hi. And, again, people who know me will know why, but we're going to break down this sauna or even just sauna therapy. You know, I lean like why people should get in the heat. and then we'll break down maybe the different types of saunas and go with what makes you unique, and why they should consider, you know, getting a sauna in looking at your brand.

Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, thank you for having me. I mean, we've talked on the phone, I've seen all your wonderful posts and, you know, you really engage with your followers with the pleasure to be here.

Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm happy that I'm happy to be here. And part of why you see me doing that is that sauna helped recover me from a really bad round of mold illness. And it was critical. It was a critical tool, that helped get me back on top. So, you know, thank you for making a very good product that was very affordable and a highly effective, effective, and non-toxic like, that's the thing people have to understand sometimes they're poisoning themselves inside these honors. And so that's the thing they don't think about. So let's talk about what got you into the heat, but say, I think of your own story around this.

Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks. I've been a gizmo woman forever. And with my background at nuclear power plant quality engineering and everything, it's like, I go to sleep like my father does, who's a machinist and an engineer and stuff. And you know, we just wake up and we see the better solution, but I I've been sick my whole life. You know, from the time I was born, the doctors rank yanking me out with four sips to having twisted hips, wearing special shoes, being in pain my whole life when I grew nine inches in three months. And then I was walking in a parking lot and a car ran over me and, you know, then after a silver amalgam filling, when I was 20 years old, I became allergic to everything, had candida thyroid issues. Psoriasis just couldn't think, I mean, I was a mess. And so I just had this underlying feeling that if my body had what it needed, that it should work, that I don't have to be trapped into these medications forever.

Speaker 2: And so I just, you know, cause I, after the nuclear power plant construction era, I went into, land development and building houses, running construction crews. And so, you know, I, I just spared no expense of trying everything. And I think I got my own sonnet. It was just the infrared sauna, in about 2000. And you know, there's a lot of different types of saunas out there, you know, and I've tried them all. And, and when I started doing all in 2011, I started doing hair analysis. You know, you start detoxing a lot more. And I heard about near infrared, of course, I'm like going, man, I got this really nice, expensive wooden box sauna, you know, and I'm sweating good. I'm feeling good. I re I really didn't understand the difference. but I decided to give it a try, you know, the heat lamp bulb was like, you see at a buffet, you know, and I'm like going, okay, you know, we'll give this a try and, you know, day one, I, you know, I just use a small room at the time, you know, a small bathroom and I didn't sweat that much, but it felt pretty good day to sweat a little more by day three, I was sweating a lot and I don't know this energetic feeling.

Speaker 2: That's just like real clean cleanness and just, you know, peacefulness came over me to the point where, you know, I never took a foreign bread Sana sense. And my son was at the university of Washington. He's got a biology degree and did a lot of chemistry and everything. I'm going to sun. Why is this near bread So special Of course he was studying photo biomodulation and how light certain wavelengths react with cells. And so I read about all that and I'm going, wow, this is like amazing. And so, you know, you start out, you know, with using canvas and all this kind of stuff, but, you know, with the heat lamp bulbs that didn't get as hot as what I was used to, you know, you felt really good, but you just didn't get that drenching, drenching, sweat. And so I just started experimenting around with some radiant panels cause you know, light travels at the speed of light, you know, and I just started thinking, what if it couldn't leave

Speaker 2: You know Cause it couldn't leave like what you were in is her saying, right. Yeah. I couldn't get out, you know, cause you know, mathematically start, you know, every minute at the speed of light, you're getting that much more phototherapy and how's that going to make your body respond You know And because that near-infrared light spectrum causes yoursel it's the powerhouse and mitochondria. I mean, that's why we have life on planet earth is because sunlight has near-infrared and causes photo synthesis. So we want that going on in our potty. Cause normally for us to make cellular energy, we've got to digest food and you know, with everybody's poor gut health and problems, you know, what's the number one problem in America, lack of energy. People are fatigued, you know, look at the coffee consumption and energy drinks, you know So that's, you know, the first sign that we have an imbalance. And so when you can just relax and shine some light on your skin to get that boost of energy, man, it just, it feels so good. So I wanted to maximize that effect when you're in there.

Speaker 1: So let's back up a little bit. So people who are listening, right, they've heard of saunas and kind of like go in some kind of box, right. And there's some heat source. Right. And there's going primally, right. People, sweat lodges, like the native Americans that I'm like using heat has been going on for a very long time, all around the globe in some type of enclosed structure, creating some type of heat source to create a cleansing detoxification, even spiritual growth, you know, journey often. Right, right. So there's this a lot of times there's like a song of war of everybody wanting to prove what's best. I know that's a big one. We have these traditional Finnish sauna, right. This like this kind of where we're most of the research legitimately does come from. And so I tell them that's fine. And you know, I'm not a PO, I tell them, well, I think it's a great healing tool.

Speaker 1: If, if you live in Sweden and they're around on everybody's house and they're the made the right way, I will go in them and I will get healing right. For Americans and Canadians and stuff. Like we don't live that lifestyle. And so what people have gone to, because it's cheaper and effective are like wooden boxes that are infrared. Right. So what's it. Can you explain a little bit about what that traditional kind of sauna is versus the infrared box, which I had one of those too. why that's different there. And then over here we have light bulb based near infrared, which has middle and far in there going on too. So I wanted to kind of like do a little bit of compare and contrast and then, then we'll spend a little time on what you have and what I use. Y Y Y you, and I think this is probably the superior method and then we'll get into why yours is very unique with the tent. Cause that was a big reason why I chose yours as opposed to a canvas model, which are very popular and, and have, you know, but I'm like, Hmm, there's a reason they're not as effective because of the shielding they're using. So maybe can you just break those three down a little bit

Speaker 2: Oh sure. Well, yeah, for thousands of years, you know, they've like built fires, put rocks, been intense to generate, you know, heat. There's been a lot of studies. They say that if you take five, at least five saunas a week, you are going to live seven to 10 years longer and you're going to be healthier during that timeframe frame. So it's like undisputed that heat stress therapy, no matter how it comes from, whether it's just high ambient heat or whether it's through foreign bread, wavelength or near infrared wavelength, they all are great for you and with a traditional Finnish sauna. and you might recognize one of those from like maybe a gym in America or a hotel. They actually have like, you know, Cedar wooden walls, benches. There's like a heater in the corner with rocks that people pour water over. And so the purpose of pouring the water over those rocks is just not to raise the humidity. But if you have a good kind of heater, cause not all heaters produce the right kind of ions and those saunas are studies about that. But when you're pouring the water over the rocks, you're generating large amounts of negative ions in the air. So what are those

Speaker 1: Do

Speaker 2: Those, those do a lot of things, but with the traditional sauna, keep in mind that it has the highest ambient air temperature, like 180 degrees and higher, and it's harder to breathe in there. But when you are inhaling negative ions, there was a study from a Europe where they had, they were testing out these types of Peters with the rocks because some of them brands because of the metal components or whatever, the design of these heaters, regenerating positive ions and people were becoming more fatigued and it wasn't good. So they were like, you know, trying to figure out which ones are the better therapeutic effects on the body. And it was the certain kinds of heaters that generated negative ions.

Speaker 1: Let me just take the little word. So you guys, a negative ion is like an antioxidant. It's a, an, a positive one would be like a free, radical what the words would think of. What's going to make you inflamed the positive, the cat eye on inflammation. The other one, the negative brings down inflammation helps support healing. It's like standing on the earth, breathing in the air, in a thunderstorm or at a waterfall. Those areas are full of negative ions. That's part of why being in nature is so healing for us. It's because it literally is taking away, like radiation inside our bodies. Okay. So that's, what's going on. So some of the machines are saying are actually producing the opposite of what we're wanting and the cat ions actually causing more inflammation and damage. Okay.

Speaker 2: Right. And so they did this study and they found out that if you inhale 20,000 negative ions per cubic centimeter, keep in mind on the freeway in LA, you're lucky to have 400 negative ions per cubic centimeter versus out like, you know, a meadow or the beach, or like you say, in nature, you're going to have 5,000 negative ions per cubic centimeter and higher at waterfalls. And so with that being said, they found out that if you were inhaling that amount of ions, your rectal temperature wouldn't go down. So one thing we have to realize is our body is, oh, it's always trying to seek balance is kind of like referred to as a homeostatic balance. And so when your body starts to heat up, it tries to cool itself down. And the first thing that will happen when you get in a sauna in, unless you're breathing negative ions is your rectal temperature will go down a lot. The whole purpose of a sauna is to increase our core body temperature kind of have a hyperthermic effect. And so they found out that yeah, inhaling the ions. They even said that half the benefits of a sauna is the ion component.

Speaker 1: That's the benefit of a traditional Finnish sauna done the right way. There are high negative ions in there.

Speaker 2: Run

Speaker 1: The wrong way can be the opposite.

Speaker 2: Exactly.

Speaker 1: I don't think infrared saunas have any negative ions. No.

Speaker 2: Oh. And that's why I have my breeze safe. We'll talk about

Speaker 1: That behind you. I have it too.

Speaker 2: So I just want to maximize, I want to stack our hacks when we're doing something, you know, let's face it. We're in the 21st century and life keeps lifeing and it just doesn't stop. So if we want to be intentional about our health and wellness, we got to do things simultaneously,

Speaker 1: But we got that heat with the negative ions, traditional, Finnish sauna. I'm not knocking those when they're done. Well, I tell people, I'm like, if I travel and the hotel has one and I'm going to get in it, you know Right,

Speaker 2: Right.

Speaker 1: Then, you know, but bigger, more money typically. you know, I know people are building, you know, not everybody can build one of these things in their backyard. Not everybody has a yard, a of apartments and town.

Speaker 2: Oh. And the power, you know, you have to preheat those things. Yeah. So, I mean, I evaluated how much it would be back in the year, 2000. And it was going to cost me over 300 a month to have one of those in my home for the power. Well, you know how the power has gone up since then. And so it's an expensive proposition to have a traditional Finnish sauna in your home. But the other benefit I want to explain is the skin surface temperatures were hotter and the sweat volume doubled coming off the person. And then they interviewed everybody. How do you feel the people without the negative ions were, you know, like experiencing some fatigue and you think if you were, had twice as much, sweat were a lot hotter that you'd be more uncomfortable. They actually reported that they were feeling relaxed and good. And you know, then after they got out of the sun, a strange phenomenon happened, their rectal temperature continued to rise because of inhaling the negative ions and it changed the electrolytes, you know, profile. And so it just huge, but the one thing I noticed, you know, so, so that's the traditional sauna, but then, you know, I went to the popular box, the far infrared sauna, and it's considered a dry sauna, but as in, I used to have to preheat it for 30 minutes and I would stay in there for 45. And the,

Speaker 1: You have to preheat it a long time, 45 minutes to an hour. I didn't even break a sweat until about 45 minutes into it. So I would go about an hour, hour and a half. I was like, this is

Speaker 2: By

Speaker 1: Interval. So the timing and the planning,

Speaker 2: Where are you turn it on and something comes up and you got to leave.

Speaker 1: It was tough. I had one for years and one of the best in the market with it, one of the lowest EMF, that's a whole nother issue of toxic solvents paints chemicals in the woods or the glues that people don't think about as well as the electrical conduction of what might be happening in the walls. What's happening with you, like for my neck radiation. So that those are issues with those. There are the ones on the market that are decent. I tell people right now, I probably had that one. but it, there was, there was a downside to it. so, so there's those no negative ions though, unless you're putting one of your devices or something. Right. Right. Okay.

Speaker 2: All right. And so the thing that I noticed when I would stay in that song, like you said, you know, 45 minutes to an hour and a half, you'd really sweat. So even though it's a dry Swana, the humidity rises and I read another European study, analyzing sweat, you know, like if you are exercising, you know, that's activating the sympathetic dominant nervous system. And then, you know, if you're in a traditional sauna, you're more activating the sympathetic, you know, because of the extreme heat, but more in the, infrared saunas, you've actually, you're activating your parasympathetic, you know So it's more of a healing relaxation. So then your body goes into detox mode and the sweat from that kind of sauna had a lot more toxins. So I started thinking about, oh my gosh, here, I am working hard to sweat all this stuff out and I'm re breathing it.

Speaker 2: And that was part of the breeze safe because it has the capacity to really clean the air ball to organic compounds and all this stuff we're sweating now. But yeah, so I, I really loved my wooden sauna, but that was before I knew about EMS, you know, then I got my meter and I'm like going, holy cow, this is like off the charts, two heaters in front, one, two on my back, the control panel, the control box. I mean, there's just like EMF everywhere. And I'm like going, oh my gosh. I was like trying to do something good for myself.

Speaker 1: The invisible poisons are the words without people, the things that you don't that you're not saying, it's really like, oh right. Wave form.

Speaker 2: Right. Right.

Speaker 1: So you measure doors and that's the thing people don't think to do, you know And I, you were trying to explain, so I'm curious about, so when you try the light bulbs in this bathroom, right. Even after a few days like that feeling, and what did your son say to explain what was the difference of having actual, real light, you know, light bulbs with near infrared concentrations, a middle, and some far hitting the skin and having that different effect that you weren't really getting as much detox at that point as much. and I'm curious about that transition because then the tent and we really, you really got into it. We explained to you that made you go, oh, I guess,

Speaker 2: Well, he's the bulbs also emit red light, you know, red light, near infrared. Those are the rays that actually biologically react with the cells where far infrared, actually it like begins to like vibrate our water molecules. So it doesn't cause ourselves to produce more energy, but it's increasing the heat, which is still help healthy. but he said, you definitely by far, you know, if you had to choose, you'd want to get the heat stress therapy from something that is activating your metabolism, you know, with the ATP and, you know, building the college and, and, you know, the nitric oxide for the dilation of the blood vessels, for the things that the near infrared light does for your flexibility. And just that, you know, the anti-aging effect, you know, additionally, you know, all saunas are going to be, you know, burning more calories. but yeah, he really went into, you know, the benefits and if you're going to

Speaker 1: Really, yeah,

Speaker 2: Yeah. Then

Speaker 1: Are like just that single red heat bulb. I mean, well, I have a really old version. The new versions are much better than what I have. I've wonder her like older, older models, but the thing is still banging. There's not a thing wrong with it. I mean it's years and years old used almost every day and it works amazingly well, never even changed a light bulb. but that bulb is like, you know, the poor man's version of red light therapy of the led panels, which I do use and sell, but I tell them, I start patients even Eileen with one bulb, you know, single red bulb therapy, like any, any of my patients, any family can afford one bulb and a chicken coop, you know, breeders, land clamp, and use red light therapy on their children, on their bellies, you know, to calm the nervous system, activate the vagus nerve, create a little bit of gentle detoxification, right.

Speaker 1: Just do them. I have parents do that. I go read the bedtime story like this under this heat lamp. And that baby will sleep so by baby. I mean, any child sleep so well, and I've had so many mothers send the email or the, you know, message, I'm going to name a next child after you. Cause that that kid slept eight, 10 straight hours. I slept the best that night. There's no waking up. You've changed our lives because now the kids sleep all night and it's amazing. And I'm like, I know, so you just kind of took it the next level. But even that one bulb I've seen it used, I've used it, you know, for 15, 20 years with patients, it's a very potent little thing. So that's your first step then if I can get them to upgrade to a sauna and everything else. Right. Better effect. So when you take several of them, you, you had your, you had how many bulbs in the bathroom did you do

Speaker 2: Okay.

Speaker 1: All right. So you she's created and designed this light clamp thing that you guys, you can buy just that separately. Like some people will have this box sauna. They said, well, I got my infrared thing. They'll heat that thing up. We'll get it super hot preheat, turn it. And it'll have her light bulbs in it. Have the light bulbs go inside the infrared, turn it off. So now you're not in any EMF. And then you use a light bulbs. This is how Joe Mercola does it now. So he's got it super hot. And then he's using the light bulbs to stay in it. So it's like the best of both worlds. You know what I mean If you have a sauna, maybe you can still keep that you add these lights. Right. You can just add the lights kind of, I've had patients hack like closets and kind of turn it into their mini saunas until they can buy your tent. Right. Actually piecemeal this bit by bit, you know, and get it together, how it works for you. Right. So let's go to the next step of like how you built the tent and this idea of the speed of light. Cause most of let's send the market for these bulb tents. They're, they're, they're pretty, but they're canvas and the light and the heat is going through yours, does something different.

Speaker 2: Yeah. you know, I started there, you know, with, you know, canvas and, you know, I'm shocked that there's actually, companies out there selling a sauna with a canvas. That's not organic because when I was talking with my son about the, the modified cotton that we have now, it it's like the cells of the plant actually released pesticides, which are sub volatile, organic compounds. And when you mix heat and pesticides in a sauna that you're breathing, that that's like really taboo, that's like something you should never, ever, ever do. And so, you know, doing the organic material, I started off with some organic fleece, but you know, again, you know, having to preheat it for like a half an hour, 45 minutes, Susie opened the door, you know, you got to rush in there and it's just not working. And so I actually played around with, insulated panels that I like lined a whole shower and tub and lowered the ceiling and got in there.

Speaker 2: And then I was, you know, feeling better, but it just wasn't enough. And so, I got some panels cause like in a Europe and other countries, instead of using the batt insulation that we use in our homes, they have this material, that's like five layers, elaborate clear layer, like a space blanket material, you know, like your emergency blanket is really thin. It's like an aluminum. And then they use bubble wrap with another layer of space blanket material, and then a polymer layer. So it's encapsulated and they make this stuff up to like our 50, you know, not all of it.

Speaker 1: What does that,

Speaker 2: That said, like if you're going to build a house like in Washington state so that you can retain your coolness and you know, your heat inside your home, so your home can be conditioned. Like the R value is a rating for insulation, as far as how resistant your house is to retaining heat or blocking, you know, cold from coming in. And so like a home we'll have like walls of our 21, you know, some ceilings, it really depends on where you live or do one has a different, you know, building standard. But so, I, I started playing around with, and the tent that you have, Dr. Ramco, came with an R for insulation ratings. So, a lot of the heat would still escape from the tent. But with the addition of the radiant material, the light would bounce. So you be retaining that light, exposing your skin cells over and over again.

Speaker 2: So it like maximize the phototherapy. See, you wouldn't just be sweating because of the ambient air temperature in the tent. Right. You're like, you're still, you know, I would always preheat it to get a, you know, a better sweat. And I had, I have to thank my customers. They give me so many good ideas. And that's the thing is if, if anybody has an idea, let me know, because that's why my tents are so different than the one that you have right now is because it's like, I always want the better widget. So I'm changing things constantly. but I had a customer who had your tent, which is four foot by four foot by five foot. So here I am, six foot, I have to crawl in, sit down on a stool, you know, then it would work fine, but you couldn't lay down. And some people, you know, with their backs, they really can't, you know, sit for that long, a time and

Speaker 1: Fatigue, fibromyalgia, Or mold illness. It does take some effort to, you know, versus now you can lie down and you could have done figurations in years. I was like, wow, that's powerful. Yeah.

Speaker 2: Well, so a customer flipped her sauna on the ground and put the floor against the wall and then she laid diagonal. So I'm going, oh my gosh. And I fell asleep. And then I knew how to do brackets and everything to have it like a little man transformer on my grandsons are playing with their transformers. I'm going like, well, that's what I could do for the tent. Yeah. So, my son is six foot five and I'm six foot. So of course I made the sauna so he could stand up, you know, or lay down, you know So instead of a four foot by four foot print, I made it three foot, four foot. So you still have the four-foot distance. You can put the lights, you know, on the three foot wide side and you're still sitting like you need to, and then with the brackets, you just flip it and you can lay down and then hang the lights from the ceiling. And so I made the, you know, the hanging bars that come with it and you know, so I first had a prototype with the same R four and then I had a problem. I had a lot of people complaining the silver thing with the red cotton. Webby looked up noxious,

Speaker 1: It's a little bit space stage, but I'm like, Hey, I'm like, I guess it could be prettier, but I don't really care. But yeah.

Speaker 2: So I started investigate cause they wanted to have a cover. So I started thinking about sewing, like a curtain cover for it and all this. And then I came up with the idea, what if I had like a woodgrain additional film that I could have them laminate on there to change the whole look of it and then change, you know, the webbing and all that. So I played around cause I, you know, used AutoCAD to, and you know, Adobe illustrator and all this, like when I was designing houses. So I was playing around with woodgrain patterns and everything. And I went through several different types of patterns and came up with one and we laminated on. And so that's when, I checked into, because here's the, tent's going to be a little bit bigger as far as the cubic volume, three foot by four foot by six foot five is a little bit larger than a four foot by four foot by five foot.

Speaker 2: So I'm concerned about preheating, you know, and keeping it warm enough. And so I went to the thicker panel. It has actually bigger bubbles. They didn't even make it in America at all. So the rating it's got a class, a fire rating. Okay. So that's the other thing is, let's say God forbid something, the, the sauna had a malfunction, which I have liability insurance for, but you know, then, then that tent would retain things in there. So psychotic class eight by a rating. And then it has an art installation value. So when I, and then, so I was still concerned about that. So I created a drop ceiling and there's a picture on Instagram. We just posted that shows that proves that the light can't travel out of the tent because in the drop ceiling, there's no light above that panel, you know but that's so that we could get it hot enough.

Speaker 2: Cause I didn't know. So now most, no one uses that drop panel, but included in there because you know, in my new sauna, without a preheat and five minutes, it's 120 degrees with that drop panel, you can get 190. And so, you know, a lot of these sauna places are hypothermic treatment centers. You know, they're trying to get skin surface temperatures up. They're trying to get rectal temperatures up to like, you know, 1 0 2 0.8 and above, well, it's like if somebody wants to have that therapy and that's why I think the Lyme disease communities love and only recommend my sauna is because they're achieving the higher rectal temperatures, you know, in the tent. cause with that drop panel, you'd get 190 degrees. I know most people don't need it like that. and then the adding of the breeze safe that actually increases your rectal temperature more. but I evolved with that, design. So even I have families that two people in the lay down position, they put their heads at opposite ends and they could lay side by side in the new tent.

Speaker 1: And that's just the regular one. That's not the yoga.

Speaker 2: Right,

Speaker 1: Right. Other like,

Speaker 2: Right. Wow.

Speaker 1: Yeah. You know that you can put like two light sources in

Speaker 2: And I have to think, yeah. And I have to thank another customer who had two of the tents that you had in zipped them together.

Speaker 2: Then they weren't doing yoga poses and they're gone, man. I wish I can stand up. And I said, and it was Jen Bodner from yoga digest. I said, okay, so what size is ideal Of course she's a short little thing. And, and so, you know, still the six foot five height and then the same what three feet. But the length is like, instead of 120 centimeters, that's 240. So that's seven foot 11 and some change for inches in length. And so then again, I was concerned like, you know, not everybody does yoga. So I created a middle participant to cut it in half. So it's just like the standup version of the small sauna. So they can, you know, get a real good sweat on and even created a drop ceiling for that as well

Speaker 1: And make it get hotter. Yeah. To get it hotter, faster, and everything.

Speaker 2: Give the customer more options. I

Speaker 1: Have the old one, you guys. So like this, like this, I don't have these new ones and I've been in the website and I'm like, wow. So I got the I got the old ugly, you know, spaceship. I don't care. I sweat. I rarely preheated. I mean, I, my, you know, sometimes I'm preheating, sometimes I'm not okay. I sweat so fast, so much in this thing, I used to have to sit 45 minutes on my other. I had a $6,000. One of your top of the line. I've told people I had a sunlight. I had a very nice, good sauna. One of the ones I consider safe, you know, not one of the lower EMF now, toxic blue glues. It's, it's a quality infrared sauna. Over $6,000. I had to pay somebody to set it up. I had to pay an electrician to get it wired.

Speaker 1: Right. This thing from you, I set up myself in about 15, 20 minutes. There's no special anything. You plug it in. I pack it up all the time. If I travel a lot of the country for a while, two, three weeks or anything like that, I always give it to somebody I'm like, well, somebody needs to take my sauna. I mean, there's no reason for it. So somebody can come over, we pack it up, they take it to their house for a month at a time. And then they bring it. It's like, it's that easy Okay. Like it's theirs. I don't need any help. I don't need any assistance or a carpenter or anything like you do with the other ones. I sweat so much within, it's not five minutes. I don't think where you're like, this is unbelievable. You know And so I'm done in 20, 30 minutes, usually as a max. So I'm in that somewhere in the 20 to 30 minutes, I'm walking in zip, sit down, zip wash, get it done. You know So time efficient, so effective. So, and that's, I'm in an old are four.

Speaker 2: Are you shooting the breeze safe

Speaker 1: I have the brief, I got the whole shebang. I got the bamboo floor. Yeah. Yeah. I have the breeds safe. Yeah. All the time knowing it's even better, you know, insulated better. And so it's reflective you guys. So it's like this, you're kind of like, it looks like tinfoil. Let your, is it still that inside Yeah. So the, the light, what she's saying is it bounces off it. It's like she's put up panels to reflect the light. So like you're still being bumped. So you got the things in front of you and you're, you're rotating around how you do this, but then it's bouncing everywhere. So light is hitting me like the old school members. Remember people would hold the 10 things to get a tan like that kinda like you're doing right. so she's got this bigger one bigger than mine. You got this big yoga thing, which would be great for right. Even I think commercially people to be using offices to be using or yoga places.

Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, I had the lay down version at home that I was using and I moved, the yoga tent home. And so I had read a study, you know, cause I was like a hundred eighty three hundred eighty five pounds. I'm six foot tall, you know So even though you look at my videos from years ago, we didn't look like I was fat, but I was overweight really for my age, my frame, you know, but I, just changed. I read a study, from Germany where these women rode bicycles for 40 minutes, three times a week. I mean, this isn't a big risk exercise program, right 40 minutes, three times a week, they had a group just ride bicycles and they had a group ride bicycles with near-infrared light shining on them and the group that had after a month. So this wasn't very long at all the group that had the light on them loss, a collective amount of eight centimeters in the circumference of their body had less pain lost weight, but their bodies contoured,

Speaker 1: Was it just lights

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker 1: Open sauna. Okay.

Speaker 2: Open room. And it was interesting because you know, we, when you think of our bodies, we have an overall metabolism. And because of the circadian rhythm, it is faster in the morning, slows down at night, you know, but then we have cells that have their own metabolism and fat cells, of course are where our body puts a lot of toxins to store, to protect our organs. But those cells have a slower metabolism. So what they found with the body contouring and weight loss from these women is that the near per light was causing the fat cells to burn the fat for energy. And it was just slamming them down.

Speaker 1: Was it causing any Browning, any Beijing like the white fat to beige and to brown fat Was it, was it a,

Speaker 2: They didn't study. Okay. You know how it was happening. They were just measuring the circumference, the weight, there was less pain. They had better blood sugar, you know, levels, you know, but that was the extent of that study. But you know, so I started bigger and well bicycles, any movement. So I started, you know, doing, stretching, everything like that. I started the eight hour eating window, going out, you know, drinking my one cup of coffee a day, watching the sunrise

Speaker 1: And light therapy. You guys cause I'm very into the sun. So what these bulbs are, is a tech version of sunlight, right That's why working under sunlight with a lot of skin exposed, doing hard work is heat stress. Cause people get hot in the sun when they exercise. That's a form of heat therapy as well. I'm moving in light. So these red bulbs are like mimicking sunlight. That, and as you said, we are, we are lacking in sunlight. I think that's why it felt so good. Yeah.

Speaker 2: But so I didn't change much of anything else. And in a year and a half, maybe it's been closer to two years now. So I've lost 38 pounds and I am a size six now instead of a size 14, 12, some twelves would fit me tight. But, and I just feel so much better.

Speaker 1: It's a massive of metabolic health, right

Speaker 1: The ratios are better. You're the blood sugar regulation or insulin will be lower. Your C-reactive proteins gotta be lower. Your homocysteine is probably better all of your metabolic markers, right So then your immune system modulation, as some people will just hook on that. And again, women, you know, Hey, size six. But with that is she's stronger. She's more resilient. She is more Bulletproof to all kinds of stressors thrown at her. Whether you believe in contagious, infectious things, whether you believe, you know, her body puts cancer and check better. Now all of, you know, she's, she's more efficient and effective at how she does everything. So our system can take care of any problem because it's not tired.

Speaker 2: I didn't do that to try to have some kind of massive weight loss. It wasn't, my goal was to get healthier,

Speaker 1: Right.

Speaker 2: Reverse aging. I'm going to be 60 years old, you know And it's like, so for me, it's important to grow older, but feel younger. Yeah. And so that's, you know why I did it and, and the consequences, you know, it's, it's a great payback, you know, for, for the time it, but it's like, it's enjoyable. A lot of people go, well, I, how do you have time You know Cause I mean I drink Jose water, do a coffee, enema, do my sauna. And now I'm, you know, really the last year been incorporating some, you know, weight, you know, so you know, my bone density and my muscle mass retained, cause that's a big thing in aging is, you know, having adequate protein, maintaining your muscle mass. So, you know, I've been doing that, but it's

Speaker 1: You left inside the sauna at all. Do you ever do any

Speaker 2: I haven't recently, but I did, you know, I had

Speaker 1: Imagine resistance bands is actually would be really comfortable. so for a lot of older women, I moved maybe towards band Three bar. Harambie like that way you don't have to carry that much in there. And the bands you can, you know, you know, do some yoga.

Speaker 2: I do a lot of like Body weight exercises, you know Cause I know as women and stuff get older and stuff, you know, they start like, oh yeah, let's go to the gym. Let's like workout with weights and they hurt themselves. You know So there's a lot you can do with, you know, your own.

Speaker 1: Yeah. It's just, and that's what I'm doing right now. She's like, well, we're just doing prison workouts, you know, pushups and dips and squats, believe it or not. You sit you squat. I do do that because I got the short song. So at times I'll just, I'm just going to sit here and squat a hundred times. I'm always trying to get my thighs. I'm like, I need the light on my fives and I will probably make that upgrade. I'm one of those people. I have my indoor soccer shoes from when I was 16 years old and I'm 49. So I'm like, they still at work. So I still, I still have my Adidas indoor soccer shoes. I'm like, why would I get rid of them Unless the sole is ripped off, I'm going to still wear them. So I'm kind of that person of, well, I already, like, I would never buy a new thing every year. You're really, I'm really wanting that yoga on now. I'm really like, oh

Speaker 2: It

Speaker 1: Would be so good to move inside of it. Yeah.

Speaker 2: It's so healthy for you to move. And then, you know, then I have people who are taller, like you know, Tyson Ross, he's a major league baseball pitcher. He's six foot eight. So even in the yoga son, he has, he has to like duck down. And then there's other people that really into yoga and every pose and they, you know, when you're six foot one, you can't go in the yoga sun and go like this. So I designed a yoga height extension kit.

Speaker 1: Oh

Speaker 2: Yeah. Basketball players that want the sauna. And I mean, they're all tall. And so,

Speaker 1: And you're just, so you're just this engineer, I love this guy, you know, just like engineers have a whole nother way of that. They think in case you guys know I do brain imaging, Q EGS. And every time you have a brain map, you can kind of go, what are the things It's a certain configuration. And we look at each other like, well, is this an engineer And they go, yeah, I go, then she's totally normal. If it's an engineer, that's how they all look. And it doesn't, it's actually, don't, don't mess with them because their brains look different. You guys really are different. All right. So you have an extension. Now I'm going to ask you something that maybe you don't want to promote, but I heard you saying when we talked, something is coming out that you don't have on the site yet you have some little tiny sauna that's coming or what's happening. What did you say Is there,

Speaker 2: Oh, you know, some of the new, smaller saunas just during the manufacturing process, you know, when they were sewing it, there might be like small cuts on the inside or like little hole punctures. So I'd always, you know, either replace the panels or give the customer a discount, you know, to keep it, everyone's always taking the discount to keep it. But that frustrated me, even though it's only happened about seven or eight times, you know, I just disappointed me, but it never happened on the outside of the tent and the wood grain, you know, laminated layer is a lot thicker than the inside. So I upgraded the inside of all the spouses of yards that I had to buy. So the new, convertible tents that are coming by solving my problem, cause I didn't want to have any damage on the inside of the tent.

Speaker 2: It actually increased the R value from an R 12 to an AR 15. So the new tents made out of that, you know, material have a greater insulation value. And I haven't let anybody know that, you know, that, you know, when they buy that, you know, that they are going to be getting that, you know, in the future, the yoga tent inventory that we have is still the R 12. but what we did with the yoga tent is now we've got a band. We have like, six little extension poles. There's actually a video on YouTube of how to put this on. And then, you know, you attach it around and then even somebody who's like six foot one can completely raise their hands without touching the ceiling. And then the taller players, athletes can use it, but then you really need to have double lamps, Tucson of fixture. So you have the eight bulbs and that tent, you know, it's just going to be more versatile now. And that's like an optional feature, you know, that people can get

Speaker 1: Awesome. Well, why don't we end with, you know, any final words on just a little bit of what makes near infrared in your sauna. And I don't know if you want to talk about the blood shunting or not, You know, and coupled with the breathe safe, the plasma ion, why this mix, why this, this biohacking stack of yours is unique. Why don't you end it with that So they can really get it, why this is different than some cheap one-off thing at Costco,

Speaker 2: There are even like really nice brands that have caught onto the fact that near-infrared has healthy. Unfortunately, what they've done is they've just added a few led lights to say their full sprechen that they provide near infrared. But when you compare the bulb spectrum sheet, it starts at five 50, like two to one mountain climbs up to 1100 and then begins to drop down and then levels out at like 3000. I didn't go a task past 3000, but from the chart looks like it's gonna go about 3,400 nanometers of light. And so, you're gonna feel the effects like you had a sunlight and it was probably the full spectrum or whatever, combination with the light, not being able to leave maximizing the photo therapy, but having the different spectrum where most of the bulk of the intensity of the nanometers are in the range.

Speaker 2: That's most therapeutic for near bread. It's like, even if you look at K lasers, they're using their certain nanometers of light that react on the body, more beneficially, you know, to repair, to reduce pain and inflammation and all that kind of thing. And so that's why you're going to feel a huge difference with the incandescent bulbs. The other thing is, is in those other saunas, the ambient air temperature around you, your whole body is constant. Now with my new tents, you know, the temperature's pretty hot, you know, can get pretty hot all around, but it's still hottest where the light shine on your body. And when you're new to this kind of sauna, a weird phenomenon happens when you get in there. You're only going to sweat on the side. You know, firstly, you're going to sweat on the side of your body. That's facing the lights and S and why does your body do that

Speaker 2: I mean, it, it, it's a homeostatic response. Again, it's actually going to shunt blood to vascular rate your tissues so that water can escape from your bloodstream to cool down the surface of your skin. So of course, in a sauna, we don't want to cool down, right That's why I say drink water before drink water. After if you have to drink water during the sun, that's fine. But you know, you're just extending the time you should stay in your sauna if you do. And so then we teach people to wipe that sweat down because after all it's, you know, cooling you down and then you rotate, then your body has to shut the blood towards the light again. So it's like double the circulation effect. So that's a huge benefit when you know, the ambient air temperature can be hotter on, you know, one side of your body than the other. Then, then you'll be bigger sweating everywhere. It'll just be a matter of minutes. You can escape it. And then the other thing is, is, you know, that toxic, humidified sauna, sweat. Why re inhale that, you know, let's get some negative ions in there. So you're getting hotter faster anyway, in feeling more comfortable. And, you know, then, you know, you're just going to have huge benefits. The thing about the Bri safe.

Speaker 1: So actually I'm going to point it out to people who are visually looking. So right behind her, you see a little green light, there's a small little device. You can't hear it. You don't notice it. It's so tiny. There's an adapter. You can put it in your car. Okay. I have done that. I take it with me when I travel the hotels and stuff. So I can clean the air and give myself a lot of, ions wherever I am. So it's very, very tiny, tiny unobtrusive. I've got one in my office just like that as well. So I have more than one, but there's, it's an upgrade, right It's an extra thing you add you don't. So she's not forcing you to get it. I highly recommend you do. And I highly recommend you use them in your house like this. It's, it's tell them about this device because I think their, their return on investment and the cost is so extraordinary, especially compared to other things I see on the market that are nowhere near as good. it's, it's a very impressive device. We'll tell them what's going on with that thing, because I'd say if you get, get the brief safe and put it in there.

Speaker 2: Well, I was on an airplane and I was in a lucid dream and I saw it on my tray table. Of course, I don't have an app HIPAA approved. Do I take it on airplanes Yes. Do I use it Because I saw it with the power bank. You know how like, you know, you have those gizmos that you can plug your phone in when the battery is dying or your tablet. Cause it only consumes three amps of power. So it can run off of a 20,000 million battery per 72 hours straight. And so that way it makes it very portable. You can take it with you. but you know, I first got it because I wanted to clean the air and to provide those negative ions for the sweat. Cause that was shortly after I read that study about the 20,000 negative ions per cubic centimeter.

Speaker 2: And you know, so this is different, you know, everybody's familiar with the negative ion generator. There's a new thing on the block called plasma generators and see like even, sharp has a thing called a plasma cluster and they make equal amounts of negative ions deposited now. So on an air purifier, that's actually a good thing because it's like this invisible electron cloud that is exchanged in negative and positive in the process it's colliding and destructing contaminants in the air. But with like the plasma cluster, you know, my invention is different because it doesn't make equal amounts. I have a boosted circuit that produces 9 million, 100,000 negative ions and 4 million, 550,000 positive. And when you do that with that special ratio, we're not creating toxic ozone in the air. The reason why the plasma clusters are only making 15,000 negative ions per cubic centimeter is because if they in equal amounts raise it, they start generating toxic ozone.

Speaker 2: Okay. So I got rid of the toxic ozone aspect. And so you have all this exchange of the negative and positive, but since we have so many more negative ions leftover, then it's more beneficial, you know, to, you know, for inhaling it and things like that. And unbeknownst to me, it also increases background oxygen levels, 70 to 118%. So I actually had this family where, you know, they had a lot of asthma and this person got ahold of me. It says, I lean, I noticed when I was having an asthma attack and I breathed over my head cause I love the smell of it. My asthma attack stopped. And so I have a whole bunch of people that have those things on battery packs and they say, Hey, if there's a disaster, that's the first thing I'm grabbing when I leave the house because they can do a cross body bag on the battery pack and put the breeze safe here and go places and not have breathing distress.

Speaker 2: Wow. And so then, you know, we're doing yoga, we're doing deep breathing. We need more oxygen in our body. So, you know, also breathing that oxygen when we're in the sauna helps us. And also just because we're in the 21st century in or heating and ventilation system is stripping negative ions out of the air and oxygen out of the air. And so it's just, you know, an awesome thing when I'm on my TreadClimber, I put my breeze safe there. So I'm breathing oxygen as I'm exercising. it just really helps then I had people, you know, cause you've got all these smartwatches now that measure your oxygen saturation at night. And you know, we have a lot of mouth breathers, so people are taping their mouth or they're unfortunately having to use CPAP equipment for sleep apnea and all this kind of stuff. And so I've had people, getting a hold of me saying, Eileen, you know, I've just had this low oxygen, 87, 88.

Speaker 2: And you know, I noticed when I just, you know, I, I turned my breeze safe. So I could actually, you know, later on its side in my bed to where I could inhale it. And she says, my monitor says my oxygen was 92 93. So that's statistically significant. And then if people want to read the reviews on the website, there's people talking about how they no longer mouth breathe, that it cleans up their whole sinuses and they're just sleeping for the first time. And so there's a lot going on with that little device that is more than just for use in your sauna. you know, so I mean, I sleep with it. I remember going to my cousin's house and I got there and I spent the night cause I was doing a trade show and oh my gosh, walked down in the basement.

Speaker 2: They had problems with water infiltration, the mold, literally my lungs were closing up. I slept with that breeze safe, like six inches from my, and then I wouldn't have a reaction. I'd wake up hardly being able to breathe red turns. So I reposition it and then I never stayed there again. It's like, some people don't even realize the mold in their home, but it's, it's just a lifesaver, you know And you know, you can have multiple ones or you could buy just different cords so you can take it with you or put it on a battery pack. If you notice, when you buy the breeze safe, there's a double stick Velcro tape in there. And

Speaker 1: The reason that's that, okay,

Speaker 2: Stick that on the bottom of one. And I attach one of those battery packs to it. So that way I

Speaker 1: Come with an adapter for that. So the USB

Speaker 2: Same cord.

Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's right. It's that little thing. Cause you know what, now, now that you've just upgraded me, I'm going to try really hard because I just keep it in. So like where my sauna is and I just, I don't use that bracelet when I'm in it. I get it. Now I keep the door open. So it is air rated. I keep it in my garage, which is like finished. but I'm like really not getting as much benefit. Like if I, if I had it sitting here right now, you know that one's kind of wasted them less I'm out there. so like if I could just learn to take it, you know, more cause I have one in my office, but I, you know, I'm like, oh, I should put it in my bedroom

Speaker 2: And yeah. And now, cause she brought those years ago, we have a brush where it's easier to clean, but if your plate is pitted at all, cause if you forget to clean it with the dirt on there, it'll pit, then it'll produce less. So we have replacement plates to,

Speaker 1: I probably need to check that. I probably, I will say I'm one of those that maintenance isn't my strong suit. so yeah, so you do have to clean it, you guys, and, and it shows you how to do the, now you get brushes to make it easier. Okay. Yeah, I was tipping and sometimes I'll all right, I'll check. I'm going to check and see if my plates are pitted.

Speaker 2: Cause you could be getting more.

Speaker 1: Yeah. I might need to do an upgrade. I'm sure I need to do a lot of upgrades, you know, but

Speaker 2: We have a bundle that is one brief safe with six ionic refreshers. I just quickly tell you about that. My son's at college had roommates where they had those plugin Glade Airwick things. I mean, you look at the ingredients on the health and human services and they actually cause cancer, you know, but they're minuscule levels, but the, the fragrance, I mean, they don't clean the air at all. So it's like, I decided to create a little device that plugs in, it looks like a bit, there's no maintenance other than just wipe it down. And it uses metal in pregnant and carbon fiber tips to generate negative ions. Yeah. It only produces I think 32,000 negative ions, but they're actually more effective. Like the breeze safe, the lab reports super high at getting rid of small particles that heap of filter can't clean and volatile organic compounds, but it only kills like 48% of pathogens in the air. And you know, but it produces oxygen. I mean, and it has more negative ions leftover. So there's a place for the breeze safe. The ionic refresher doesn't replace it. But the ionic refresher kills like almost 90% of pathogens in the air

Speaker 2: And it reduces volatile organic compounds, but it's easier to clean than the breeze safe. So I use a combination cause it's silent air purification. You don't even have to buy replacement filters.

Speaker 1: All right, you have to clean it. I'll often have to clean those.

Speaker 2: Well, I gave some to my son and he calls me up. He says, mom, there's a problem. The wall is completely blunt. What happened here Your device is defective. And I said, go over there and wipe it off that's dust. You're supposed to like once a month clean the area. So it's super simple. You just because it does still collect on it and it draws, you know Yeah.

Speaker 1: I like that. Nice and small. So a lot of good things in the market people say, and I'm like, some of them are big they're loud. you know, have you had many HEPA filters in home and my office and things like that. And I love the results I get with my breath safe. I have a whole house actually, hydrogen peroxide, UV light filtration system that I with mold because of the mold. Right, right. And not that expensive, but like I had to pay somebody to put it in and I'm not taking it with me really. And I'm like, you know, it's not going to, right. This is beautiful. Because again, if you're, if you live in a lot of people are buying RVs and traveling around, I had a patient appointment today and they just traveled the country in an RV. This can go with them everywhere they go, you know, and, hotels.

Speaker 1: And when you visit your mother or your mother-in-law and you'd be like, I'm keeping my room clean and I'm keeping my air well for myself. Cause you never know, like, I, I like you, I've been to places where I've walked in and said, got to go. I know there's mold. I can't do it. I gotta tap out. Because once you've had a reaction, you know, most people, if they don't know, if they've had that, you become much more sensitive to it and it's a no go. So it's important if you've dealt with some of these like chronic illnesses and mystery, diagnoses that these might be some of the, the extra hacks and new bio hacks or things that you're missing, what's in the air. How can you up level that the negative ions, you know, increase oxygen intake. That might be just a thing that's going to move the dial, further for you to have an upheld upgrade. No,

Speaker 2: I read a study about air in cities. That's more polluted and those people have more fat around their waist, the unhealthy abdominal fat, just because they're breathing, you know, unhealthy air, more

Speaker 1: Jenn and more toxin. I mean, it's, you know what I mean That's stressful on the system and there's more toxic. So that is what the body does. You're gonna have a cortisol stress response, which is much you to put belly fat and fat. Like you said earlier, a lot of people don't understand that fat is there to save you to sequester toxins away and keep them away from things like your brain and your heart. So, you know, there there's, it's saving your life and, doing the best that can under some really hard circumstances, you know And like just that, just those simple things. And just like traveling, like flying in an airplane. I mean, it's very low oxygen and you're inhaling, air that's being recycled from the engine. So it's very toxic air inside. A plane has nothing to do about it, right

Speaker 1: So several people have lots of hacks around how you use oxygen compressors and things like methylene blue and things like what we're trying to do to help the body still function in the face of low oxygen and low oxygen. Since we're in the time we've mentioned the cob ID already, we get in trouble in band for things, but that's been a big thing about the low, postdocs. So any little thing you can be doing to help upregulate the system, because there's just not enough air, I mean, oxygen in the air when you're in congested cities, that's really becoming an issue. and so part of it is you have to teach yourself to breathe. Sure. We have distress breathing and shallow breathing cause of chronic stress, but it's part of it. I wonder if it's just a learned response to the system having no to low oxygen, this is the percentage of the quality of oxygen in the air. So

Speaker 2: Getting

Speaker 1: Your home as safe as you can, as a, is a good start

Speaker 2: And people don't realize that your body is so smart, it's selectively shuts down things based on hierarchy. Like it'll protect bone marrow over joint cartilage, for instance, because you know, your brain tissue over other stuff. And when we don't have enough oxygen cells begin to lose a protective enzyme coding. Now when the cells have that projective enzyme coning, the more resistant to pathogenetic, you know, infections. And then, you know, when they lose that enzyme coding, they'll more susceptible to go awry to, you know, to need to be recycled or maybe go on to, you know, a cancer imbalance. I mean, we all have cancer cells in our bodies. Our bodies are just recycling them, cause our immune systems in tune. And so when we have lower oxygen, you know, we become like a jalopy where it's like refusing to replace the alternator in your cars. You're always jump-starting and you're driving it without the headlights. Yeah. You're getting a point in point B, but you know, it's not as good. And Bri safe is a really good hack, you know, to add this is like, you're multitasking, you've got to work. So you could be increasing your body oxygen levels with working instead of being in the intentional, deep breathing state or meditation, you know So it just adds.

Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm excited. I'm I'm the, we made me rethink. I put so much credence. I knew, I know it's there. I know it's the thing. And helping me, you know, I'm always like it's the light and the heat. And I'm like, oh right. I do have this other thing in there really giving me this incredible, you know, synergistic healing. Cause I it's, I sauna is truly one of my things to do, you know,

Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I forgot to mention one other upgrade that your son doesn't have that the new ones do well, the old bamboo mouths didn't have the radiant backing on the bottom. So the new ones do, but you know, I kept on having people ask me, cause one of the other saunas says they're a Faraday cage where it's actually literally grounded. And you know, it was like, I think a $3,000 upgrade to get one of those. And so I'm sitting there thinking I'm already EMF blocking. I mean, if you tried to use the remote, the TV and you're the tent was in between the TV, it just wouldn't work. I mean it blocks signals already. So it's just the cotton webbing and the zippers break, the metallic, you know, envelope of the tent. And so I just put metal snaps on the tent and provide the little cables that just kinda jumper. So that way you can connect all the panels and likewise on the back of the bamboo mat, the different panels. And then I give you a long cord that you

Speaker 1: Just grounding.

Speaker 2: Yeah. The round Outlet. So then you're like grounded in a ferritin cage and I didn't increase the price for that. But for another sauna that has canvas, no, R-value, it's 3000 more to have that benefit, but it's included in the sauna effect system.

Speaker 1: Wow. Okay. So first of all, so I'm familiar with like all the earthing mats and I mean, I own that, that rug, that blanket right there, that's grounded into my wall port, stuff like that. Right. So we're getting that right. Simulating standing on the earth is what we're saying, but are we truly like a Faraday cage blocking all wifi

Speaker 2: Magically reduces it. Like I've taken my, phone in there and I can't connect to the internet, But it'll still ring, but it'll be a really spotty call. So it's not a hundred percent blocking

Speaker 1: Are expensive. I've looked at shielding my bed and it's like three, $4,000. I was like, yeah. So I I've hacked it the best I can because I'm like, they are not playing around with how much they're charging for them.

Speaker 2: So the width of the cotton webbing with the zipper, you know, so there's a leak, you know, where the zippers are basically, but it's like huge as far as

Speaker 1: Oh, so you're grounding at the same. That is really, really, really cool. Cause I do sell grounding, blink, you know, rugs and all kinds of things. And people who are into that will know like David avocado, Wolfe is super into this and other people. It's why you'll see us when we speak or do things for barefoot. And often their stages are being rounded. Dave Asprey, super. This has place in Santa Monica, the bullet proof that he has a different grade up Drake upgraded labs, everything's rounded. So if you sit down everywhere, everything's plugged in to ground around you to discharge all the static, electricity, all the cat ions off of you to basically infuse you with, antioxidants free electrons that can grab it, right. That is really potent. Oh man, you really put some beautiful, beautiful stacks, some layers in there. I appreciate how much you are driven, you know, by, by curiosity and upgrading and changing and doing this and not being married to your old design. Oh, going to be proved wrong. Or like, how can I get better And how can I do this You know,

Speaker 2: Once I find out something's not good anymore, I got to fix it and I got to quit selling it. You know

Speaker 1: I mean,

Speaker 2: This is not about just making money. You know, this is about helping people and it's an evolution. I have five patents issued on spinal fitness equipment. We just brought on 34 new products. And that's a huge passion of mine after growing nine inches. And three months of being ran over by a car, that's a whole nother story. But when I was down in LA for the super bowl for a whole week, you know, and I may have seen customer emails, I have to thank customers. I'm all for my new. So I came up with two new inventions that I need to patent two more products, bringing out just over the weekend. I can barely keep up, you know but yeah, so, you know, we have to look at our whole organism, what we breathe, what we drink, what goes on our skin. That's a whole nother thing. We make a whole skincare line. And then, you know, even if you eat clean and you know, do everything healthy, you're going to accumulate toxins. Hence the sourness, we gotta, you know, get it out. I mean, I've got a fantastic castor oil wrap cause I bought every one and hated every one and came up with one. That's just absolutely fantastic.

Speaker 1: I'll have to say, cause I'm recommending a lot of casserole packing and I just, I don't have a,

Speaker 2: Oh gosh, here's one that doesn't leak. You can like wear it and work out and you can even put it on your belly and heat it up when you're in the sauna, you know

Speaker 1: Yeah. Glance at this. I was like, wow, there's a lot going on here. She has a lot more things, but you know, because I'm just like, get this on. And the producer will ask me, I'm like, I haven't reviewed at all. I can't speak to everything, but I he's smart. I am impressed.

Speaker 2: And if you're taking daily saunas, you have short hair. So it's not so bad, but my hair gets dried out in the saunas. So that's why I came up with that organic sauna hat. So my hair doesn't get like dried out. And then, you know, you sweat even faster. And you know, I was just busy and with some people they have a hyperthermic center and you know, how much they charge for the hyperthermic sessions. So basically you could get either the bigger, the small tint, but use the partitions with the drop ceiling, have the breeze safe in there and a sauna hat. And you are going to have your own hyperthermic treatment at home. I mean, this is just huge, you know and they were saying, especially for the clients, who've got leukemia, you know, systemic issues instead of spot treatment for hypothermia.

Speaker 2: But yeah, it's just a whole thing, you know, we'd have to look at. And then the thing that you know is a real passion of mine is back pain. in America, low back pain alone. That's not the net problem is a hundred billion dollar a year problem. But what people don't realize is you can't change muscle attachment points to the bone. And so when those muscles are tight, it's an emergency. The body's going, I don't want you to drift out of shape anymore, but then we're trying to loosen those muscles, everything we can to get rid of the pain and we're not fixing our structure. And then do you realize how many, how much energy your body's burning just to keep your body from falling flat and to keep your posture from drifting more So how much less fatigue would you have if you had the proper curvature to exist in gravity And I tell people, it's like, you know, people who aren't doing something to restore their curve, it's like eating Kenny and going to bed without flushing and brushing their teeth. You know, there's simple things that we can do every day. And so I'm coming out with a whole bunch of videos because it's a new thing. It's called spinal business. It's not CrossFit. It's not Pilates. It's not yet.

Speaker 1: Oh, it's final hygiene. That's the old term, you know, I'm a chiropractor and it's spinal hygiene is there's like, like people ignore it, even chiropractors. But like, you know, there's old school things actually that you should be teaching your patients to do. So they need us less and less by the time they're coming into us. It's because you have like sleep hygiene, you know, you have horrible sleep hygiene, you had horrible spinal hygiene. This is what's going on your hygiene period. It's not good. So yeah,

Speaker 2: But I, I it's fabulous with the new equipment. I went down to the Superbowl and I met with UFC fighters and NFL players. And I always tell, give me five minutes and I'll give you four to 11 inches of reach. And so I go through, I haven't bend over, you know, a lot of these UFC fighters can't even touch their fingertips to the ground. They're so stiff, you know, and they're hunched over from their fighting positions. And then I have them jumped up. A lot of them will like land forward or backward. That is a sign of, you know, bad posture. I've raised her hands look, hamstring. How tight are your hamstrings when you're in neutral posture, it's zero effort of hamstring is where you want to be. So then I have them do a specialized set up over a fulcrum called the power cushion that was originally a used with the us Olympic team and the NFL teams by Dr.

Speaker 2: Scherger, who is the one who saved me after being ran over by a car. And then we do the pelvic tilt and there's a video, there's a post with Cheeto, the UFC fighter. And then there's the after shot where, okay. He was like two inches from the ground. He couldn't touch his fingertips. And he's like reaching with half way down to almost putting his palms down. So he gained like about over four inches of reach in five minutes and he's like going, oh my gosh, you know, it's like everybody, I had one guy that got 11 inches of reach. He's like a runner that just, you know, has a really low flat back, you know, but, but we have the neck shaper for the neck flection, which actually when done properly induces low back curvature, a lot of people are saying, put your shoulders back.

Speaker 2: It's like, no, get the head position over the hips and your shoulders go back on automatically. You know And then we have these roles because Dr. Sugar used to teach me how to fold a towel, where there was a groove in the middle. So your spine is could float and the edges catch the transfers process and you'd roll them and put them under your neck. And then one inch above the iliac for the low back. But after you did a spinal twist, so you can change the disks from like a sponge to a gel. Then when you lay over them muscles relax, and literally your bones will shift. And then the disc go back to a sponge state. So it encourages the posture. So we have the five different diameters for the neck and the back and the three different densities. So I was doing videos on how size people and then how to get the next size to encourage the curvature. So we have a lot of stuff, a lot of new stuff.

Speaker 1: I appreciate Irene, you spend the time teachable about all the differences of sauna and how does the near infrared light he had. And the red rays coming off with are pretty inexpensive bulbs, kind of a low tech thing that a lot of people want to overlook and how potent and powerful it is. And, and I appreciate you so much for, you know, just continuing to upgrade the product and, and, and put quality and health, you know, first. And I'm glad your accountant told you, well, profit does matter. Otherwise you're going to go out of business. So some people are a little surprised that there was an increase from what I had spent, but if you don't realize something's going to increase in price after 10 years, I'm not sure what to tell you. I tell everybody like,

Speaker 2: Well, we have organic cotton. Now we have better zippers. I mean,

Speaker 1: Down

Speaker 2: On the mats, you know, there's just so much stuff that we've been,

Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a big, it's like the, the beautiful commercial upgrade really for, so I encourage, you know, business owners, chiropractic offices, yoga studios, wellness centers, you know, sauna is great, you know, therapy that people are going into places to do to use. And they're always gone with the same wooden things, you know, and it's like, like there's actually something better out there. but it's new for them to realize it. They don't know about it, you know and so I hope some of my friends, you know, my colleagues are looking at this, you know, understand better. Why I keep advocating for something that's not the most like most mainstream thing out there. And I do think it's better. I think it is the best choice. because I think you get better results in less time, you know, actually,

Speaker 2: And if somebody would just try it, they'll never go back. Now.

Speaker 1: I, everybody, I never, patients are like, oh my God, it's awesome. I'm like, I know. Why do you think I want to go on it every day I've already, I planned my day today. Like, Ooh, when exactly am I doing the whole like exercise sauna thing Where can I see why to start early And I'm like, okay, I'm going to do it later in the day. I like to start my day that way, but sometimes it's gotta be a little bit later. So thank you so much, Eileen. Thanks. Have a good one.